Comments on LOTR:ROTK:EE

What I thought was interesting in the Mouth of Sauron scene was the alteration in his purpose.

In the book, the Mouth shows them Frodo’s mithril shirt and tells them that Frodo is alive and being kept prisoner, and tries to use him as hostage for their retreat and future good behavior (i.e., not putting up a fight while Sauron takes over the rest of the world).

In the movie, he shows them the mailshirt and tells them that Frodo is dead, taunts them with it, and makes Gandalf cry. Perhaps he was intending to tell them that they ought to give up all hope, or something of the sort to put them in a nice, defeatist frame of mind, but didn’t get the chance before Aragorn took a swing at him.

Covering a lot of ground here.

My biggest disappointment, and the one thing that was missing from all three movies that was absolutely pivotal: that Sauron wouldn’t expect them to try to destroy the ring. I guess you can argue it was implicit, but … it seemed to me that without making that explicit, viewers who haven’t read the books won’t understand.

And I agree, the bit where Frodo shows the ring to the Nazgul in Osgiliath (in TTT) was dreadful. If Sauron knows that the ring is heading into Mordor, he guesses that they want to destroy it, and Frodo is captured pretty damn fast.

I think Sauron in the books comes across as much more menacing, because we see how he subverts and lures, both in Saruman and Denethor. Great lines from the book, like "Treachery is our greatest enemy’ (I’m going from memory, forgive me if I blew it somewhat) don’t have their counterpart here. Sauron seems only to be a source of armies and more armies, and the despair of Denethor or the plotting of Saruman aren’t directly attributed to Sauron.

I agree with everyone, Denethor is far more interesting as a tragic figure, deceived by Sauron, then as a simple lunatic, driven mad by the death of his much-favored son (one presumes.)

I find it awful that Aragorn kills the Mouth of Sauron, that’s no way to treat an emissary. I did like PJ’s interpretaton of the Mouth – very cool. There were a number of other bits where I liked PJ’s interpretation, like the White Hand insignia in FotR.

Having said all that, I like the movies fine. I’ll never see a better adaptation, no one is going to remake them in my lifetime, and he got so much right and on target, that my quibbles are small. 98% happy with them is a fair statement.

In the extended edition of The Two Towers, Gandalf and Aragorn have a late-night confab, and Gandalf does indeed say explicitly, “. . . that we have the Ring and would wish to destroy it has not yet entered their darkest dreams.” I may not have that exactly, but that’s pretty much his speech. It’s a desperately needed added bit.

And although Peter Jackson didn’t (and perhaps couldn’t) accurately portray the idea, Nazgul can’t see. At least they can’t clearly see until someone enters their world by putting on the Ring. Frodo in that scene wasn’t so much showing it to the ringwraith as he was just getting it out to put it on as bid. However, I don’t like the scene either.

My favorite added bit in ROTK:EE:

Frodo and Sam running with the orcs in Mordor. That shot of the plain of Gorgoroth is breathtaking, and that nassty orc general with the missing nose is the scariest orc in all three movies.

Before it drops off the SD and Popular Culture radar, I felt the urge to throw in my 2 cents worth re the ROTK EE:
Once more I find myself basically agreeing with CK DexterHaven. Yes, I am 98% very, very happy with these films. They were a gift from the movie gods.

Most any unhappiness with the 3rd extended edition comes, I feel, because our hopes and expectations had been raised so ridiculously high. Though I could nitpick with the best of them, I prefer to just relax and enjoy the extra time in Middle Earth. While the movie did not do the Houses of Healing section justice, it will always be there for me to return to in the book (just as the Scouring is).
One last thought on “movie magic”: I love the documentaries on these extended DVDs. Amazingly, though, the magic prevails when I watch the films again. They still successfully transport me whether or not I’ve seen a doc. explaining the blue screen shots and how this and that special effect was done.

And what happened to Aragorn’s horse, Gandalf’s and Legolas’? I was hoping that the extended edition was going to explain this.

Oromë came and took them to Valinor?

I got the impression from the appendices that the first few years of the Fourth Age were busy with the eradication of all foul creatures such as orcs and whatnot – “the forest was cleansed,” stuff like that, and that relatively few bad guys were allowed to escape to the east. So under that theory Mouth would have had a pretty short half-life anyway. Is that not correct?

It just runs contrary to the scene in the book, where the Mouth feels threatened by Aragorn’s steel gaze and claims immunity as an emissary. Gandalf reams him out a bit verbally, but they do preserve the diplomatic immunity.

I had the same thought as Dex when I saw this scene. I also thought “Uh-oh! JRRT wouldn’t approve!”.

Pippin coulda just kicked him in the 'nads.

I was a tad disappointed in the gift-pack bonus disk, on the LOTR Symphony. While the music, and performance thereof, was beautiful, I was hoping for some better insight from Howard Shore on the whys & wherefores of each theme. His commentary was pretty banal, and so stiffly and obviously read from cue cards.

One (about the only) insight: the “Shire” leitmotiv is played on a tin whistle in FOTR, then reprised on flute in ROTK–to represent the evolution of the hobbits. I thought that was pretty cool.

Has anyone seen the two Easter Eggs?

The Vince Vaughn/Ben Stiller skit is hilarious!