Got it in one, Autolycus. And that was the blush that I was hoping might taste like White Zinfndel. I still have a bottle of something called Foggy Bay American White Table Wine (although it’s really kind of orange) to get through, and I’m frightened.
’luci, I’m gonna be a party pooper, and let the cat out of the bag:
<3 is a sideways heart in leetspeak.
and 1nt0rn3tz0rz upbringing >_< means “internet [zorz] upbringing 
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Well, just tell them to stay off my lawn.
Seconded, and unanimously approved.
Well I’ve never trusted samclem since that thread where he admitted that he cheated on his wife.
What the fuck are you going on about?
John- please don’t leave. Please.
Please dudes, also consider samclem’s long history of excellent service to the Dope.
No. That was the one I linked to, and it turned out I was wrong.
Oh lord, no. In fact, I’ll get people to come in and quote my entire post, mention me in particular, and dredge up shit from the past. I’m not paying you, though. We never came to terms. Say… you’re not that FEMA guy, are you?
From the Debating debating! thread:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1778054&postcount=149
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=96214&page=4&pp=50
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1778330&postcount=158
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1778588&postcount=164
That’s trolling.
Mmm. But in a thread about debating debating, is it trolling, or tactics?
Trolling as tactic is still trollling, although obviously not anywhere near as offensive as seriously proposing total war against a country that was invaded and occupied for no good reason. It does, however, raise the question of whether Scylla was inhuman enough to seriously propose total war, or just yanking chains with hyperbole to bring attention to the level of support necessary to resolve the conflict.
The bottom line is that Scylla has admitted to deliberately posting misleading informtation in hopes of obtaining a desired effect, and now is demanding an apology for being accused of admitting that he sometimes trolls the board. Typical weaselling and whining by Scylla.
Sorry, but it’s not. Trolling is commonly defined as making comments intended to provoke an angry response.
"My intention at the start of this thing was to make a large blunder, and retract it graciously when it was pointed out. "
“My intent though was to plant and concede a factually innacurate point”
“I’ve also argued a stance I didn’t necessarily beleive in in order to make a point or show a flaw in an opponent’s stance.”
“It is possible that the tactic I am admittedly guilty-by-intent of using is not fundamentally honest.”
These are just debating tactics. Hell, by your definition, Plato was a troll - it’s thought that he fabricated the legend of Atlantis just for a philosophical debating tactic. Should be have been banned from the Academy?
I would have thought the general flow of events was clear. Scylla dared to question one of the sacred cows of the SDMB (that the war in Iraq is un-winnable). Thus (of course) the usual Pitting, based mostly on the false accusation that Scylla was advocating genocide.
samclem, being driven mad by the key word in the title of the Pitting, decided that Scylla was trolling and wanted to begin advocating among the mods for his suspension or banning. So he (samclem) went off to search for what he thought would be a previous instance of trolling. He found none, and thus popped back into the Pitting thread to try to enlist the help of the Usual Suspects in digging up something he could use to justify a push to ban Scylla.
As has been pointed out, if this had been handled via private e-mail, it could have been a different matter. But it wasn’t - a moderator has made a public accusation of trolling against a poster. Can’t unring that bell.
Lessons to be learned from all this -[ul][li]Dissent from the groupthink of “the Iraqi war is lost” is advocating genocide[]Advocating genocide in the Iraqi war is a dreadful offense unless it is against American service men and women.[]Knowingly posting false information is an offense, unless it is from Der Trihs or another of the Usual Suspects.[]Arguments which dissent from the received wisdom of Democratic talking points must always be assumed to be in bad faith. []Arguments which the moderators don’t like are not bannable offenses, but we’re working on it.[/ul][/li]
All this will be blandly denied, and the thread locked.
John Carrodo, I hope very much that you reconsider. I cannot predict, however, that anything will change. What manhattan mentioned when he left is even more true now.
Regards,
Shodan
Agreed. These are unseemly tactics, dishonest tactics, to be sure. But they are not trolling as such. I happen to think that dishonest tactics are Pit-worthy, hence the Pitting of Scylla entirely justified. When Samclem asked for trolling evidence, he left an unfortunate impression in the mind of some here, but directly and unequivocally repudiated any suggestion that he was acting as a mod, seeking evidence towards a contemplated banning. I believe him, hence Scylla has no case. I would prefer that a mod be just a tad more circumspect.
But the only real damage comes from pointing out what is public knowledge, and the damage is to Scylla’s reputation. About which, the less said the better.
No, “| <3” is what we call a mathematical equation that means “the number one is less than the number three”. Obviously, **Autolycus ** was bragging about his mad math skillz.
I’ll second this. In order for it to be trolling, the intent has to be to get a rise out of people (the SDMB rules say trolling is “purposely inflammatory remarks”. That isn’t what Scylla admits to doing in that post (not that I’m sure holding a false position to prove a point is such a great idea either, but It’s not trolling).
Sam was incorrect in his characterization of what Scylla said and should appologize.
Most of your argument here is stupid and repulsive, but standard Shodan crapola, not worthy of note. But this!
[QUOTE=Shodan]
[ul][li]…Advocating genocide in the Iraqi war is a dreadful offense unless it is against American service men and women…[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
is putrid, foul, and disgusting. A wriggling maggot wouldn’t post something like that. Your suggestion that those who disagree with you dearly crave harm and death for our own is beneath the contempt of a vulture.
Have you no sense of decency? None?
[QUOTE=Shodan]
[ul]
[li]Arguments which the moderators don’t like are not bannable offenses, but we’re working on it.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
Fuck off, shithead.
(Bland enough for you?)
No more than Rudy Giuliani has.
Out of some (probably misguided) sense of fairness, Der Trihs has indeed done such. He has also been Pitted for it, just as Scylla was. But Shodan has never let that sort of reality interfere with his hallucinatiouns. I suspect that he orgasms each time he types “the usual suspects”.