Complaint against samclem

[Hentor_the_Barbarian]

Okay, here’s the page of the thread I was recalling.

The relevant exchange started with Scylla claiming “This is Clinton’s courageous stand while speaking at a meeting ovvertly promoting race violence?”

It was minty green, and not Diogenes the Cynic who was involved in the “discussion,” and he understandably called for a cite, eventually declaring “That’s not even a strawman; it’s just a disgusting lie.”

Scylla responded

@Scylla

Yes of course it is.

Sistah Soljah at the meeting promoted racial violence. Therefore I can construe that the purpose of the meeting was to promote racial violence.

minty green explains that this too is a lie, and Scylla goes on to quote racist statements from Sister Souljah, saying

@Scylla

I don’t understand. You don’t think this promotes racial hatred and violence?

I do. If you try to pretend it doesn’t, you’re the one who’s lying.

Of course, the reality is that she did not make any such comments at any meeting that Clinton spoke at. He was actually calling her out for making them. Scylla then responds that of course he knew that, he’s just pointing out that Clinton was taking them out of context to stab Jesse Jackson in the back, engaging in “sleazy cowardice” for doing that. (The convolutions are awesome to behold, aren’t they?)

minty green accurately characterizes the matter in response, saying

Oh, so you knew where she made the comments, but you lied about it anyway? Just like you knew the meeting wasn’t overtly promoting racial violence, and you lied about that too?

Here’s the post where Scylla, in response, admits as much.

@Scylla

Minty Green:
[Quote=minty green]

Oh, so you knew where she made the comments, but you lied about it anyway? Just like you knew the meeting wasn’t overtly promoting racial violence, and you lied about that too?

Of course. I’m using the exact same logic being used on me.

Only an idiot would think Bush’s speaking at BJU is an act of racism. They know they’re lying. The value lies in the accusation.

For four pages or so, I’ve tried to be reasonable and logical. That hasn’t worked. So, I am just shoveling the shit that’s been thrown at me right back.

Of course, I make no bones about the dishonesty of the tactic. I’m trying to emphasize it.

I wonder if you’re gonna respond to any of the issues of raised. Particularly the ones in my reply to Sparticus.
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I think that he’s pretty much admitted to trolling, particularly given that in the midst of his lying about the matter, he says “If you try to pretend it doesn’t, you’re the one who’s lying.”

Scylla is a douchebag and a troll.

[kaylasdad99]

[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]
No, “| <3” is what we call a mathematical equation that means “the number one is less than the number three”. Obviously, **Autolycus ** was bragging about his mad math skillz.
[/QUOTE]

Wouldn’t that be more along the lines of an expression? I usually think of equations as involving things that turn out to be equal.

‘Course, you’re the teacher, not me. I’m just sayin’.

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
Okay, here’s the page of the thread I was recalling.

The relevant exchange started with Scylla claiming “This is Clinton’s courageous stand while speaking at a meeting ovvertly promoting race violence?”
[/quote]

This is where you made your first mistake. The exchange started much earlier than that, but the relevant previous post by Scylla in my mind is

@Scylla

Clearly Dubya is a racist and a homophobe for speaking at BJU

Didn’t have a problem with that did you? Now either you took him literally or you didn’t. I believe he didn’t mean it. Does that make him a troll?

The entire exchange in the thread in my mind was Scylla’s attempt to appeal to your intelligence. Obviously he failed. If you want to call him a troll then all I could say is your cites only refer to contrary facetious political statements and amenable facetious statements are to be taken at face value. If you choose to distinguish trolling or not trolling based on politics then the entire concept of trolling is completely irrelevant and only based on subjective preferences.

Keep it up guys. Before long we won’t have anything to debate about, There aren’t many conservatives here , they are dwindling, and you’ll end up preaching to the choir.

[Hentor_the_Barbarian]

[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]
Didn’t have a problem with that did you? Now either you took him literally or you didn’t. I believe he didn’t mean it. Does that make him a troll?
[/quote]
What is an opinion? What is a fact? What is the difference?

You must be dumb as a fucking post not to see any difference between transparent hyperbole in the expression of an opinion, and saying, knowing that it is false, that Clinton spoke at an overtly racist event.

And if stupid is all that the conservatives here have to offer, it’s a damn shame, but I’ve got no patience for stupid. I’d rather deal with no conservative opinion than nothing but stupid conservatives.

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
What is an opinion? What is a fact? What is the difference?
[/quote]

If you have to ask…

You must be dumb as a fucking post not to see any difference between transparent hyperbole in the expression of an opinion, and saying, knowing that it is false, that Clinton spoke at an overtly racist event.

You have a point. I’m coming from a sincere belief that Bush is not a racist. That opinion translates to a fact for me. That is why I didn’t take the first Scylla assertion that I quoted seriously. The fact that Scylla, a conservative, made that assertion set the tone, my understanding, of his debating style. Did anyone take him seriously that Clinton participated in a forum means he has a racist character.

And if stupid is all that the conservatives here have to offer, it’s a damn shame, but I’ve got no patience for stupid. I’d rather deal with no conservative opinion than nothing but stupid conservatives.

Well there you go. If you want to shit on conservatives, especially the ones who are on this board, who seem pretty mild to me, twist their intent as liars and feel all good about it then I’m prepared to call you the political equivalent of a racist. A politicalist. Fuck, why can’t we all get along ! Why can’t we respect dissenting opinion ! Why do we feel the need to demonize our political opposition even when we feel they are full of shit ?

Once again, I see no hint of trolling.

[Shodan]

[QUOTE=Frank]

@Shodan

Arguments which the moderators don’t like are not bannable offenses, but we’re working on it.

Fuck off, shithead.

(Bland enough for you?)
[/QUOTE]

How interesting that a moderator, reacting to a statement about the moderators, responded in a way that shows that I am quite correct. As ever.

[elucidator]

Stunning.

[VinylTurnip]

Yes, much like stepping repeatedly on a rake.

[elucidator]

Its times like this I realize that Scylla’s not such a bad sort, after all.

[Fear_Itself]

[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]
There aren’t many conservatives here , they are dwindling, and you’ll end up preaching to the choir.
[/QUOTE]
As opposed to preaching over the catcalls from a gaggle of delinquent choirboys in the balcony. What they need is a friendly priest with a pocket full of candy.

[Frank]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
How interesting that a moderator, reacting to a statement about the moderators, responded in a way that shows that I am quite correct. As ever.
[/QUOTE]

There you go again.

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
As opposed to preaching over the catcalls from a gaggle of delinquent choirboys in the balcony. What they need is a friendly priest with a pocket full of candy.
[/QUOTE]

I think I got your message. All conservatives are childish delinquents? Well forgive me if I think that attitude would just lead to disrespect for any opinion that you have amongst conservatives. If that is acceptable to you, go for it. You’re a winner in your own mind.

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Frank]
There you go again.
[/QUOTE]

Quoting Reagan ? Or is this phrase just a lazy cliche now.

[Frank]

[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]
Quoting Reagan ? Or is this phrase just a lazy cliche now.
[/QUOTE]

It was a lazy quote of Reagan. I’m off to the ball game and have no time to think up something original.

[GIGObuster]

[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]

Well there you go. If you want to shit on conservatives, especially the ones who are on this board, who seem pretty mild to me, twist their intent as liars and feel all good about it then I’m prepared to call you the political equivalent of a racist. A politicalist. Fuck, why can’t we all get along ! Why can’t we respect dissenting opinion ! Why do we feel the need to demonize our political opposition even when we feel they are full of shit ?

Once again, I see no hint of trolling.
[/QUOTE]

I see hints galore, he is intelligent enough to get close to trolling, but then a jerk title is not so flattering either.

I have the impression you are missing that the trolling accusation is coming for defending items that clearly are not true, and **Scylla ** admited that he is doing it on occasion for shits and laughs, in the last threads on Rush Limbaugh, after some prodding, I concluded that he knows that he is virtually trolling for specific posters; however, he gets away from any trolling accusations because only “foolish” liberals could react to his “Y” bullshit.

And he does that just to show that some liberals are fools for thinking X is good? I pointed to him that that is still trolling if only a few are riled by his tactic. His defense was that it is obvious that those people that protest against what he posted is because those posters know that he is kidding and when they “play outraged or angry” they are the ones trolling because there is no way in heaven they should fall for what it was clearly a great work of parody by Rusbo. (it turned out that **Scylla ** was trying to show that “Scientific consensus is the same as other consensus.” Yeah, the uneducated consensus congress reached in the Terry Schiavo case would be the same as the ones academia would have reached. When one of the judges in the case virtually said that the few doctors supporting the idea Schiavo “could get better” were quacks, the medical consensus that said Terry was a goner was later confirmed at the autopsy, so no, not all consensus are the same)

It turned out then that in those threads a good number of posters were misguided and failed or missed the “great” point of Rusbo, and not seeing that makes any critic a fool, so I do have an issue with you for asking “Why can’t we respect dissenting opinion!”? The poster is already assuming some “fools” will come. The issue (and specially in the SDMB) is that an opinion would be tolerated indeed if there was no evidence to the contrary already out there.

My impression now is that he already is on a mission to make more liberals look foolish, it would be a trolling agenda if that was the only point of Scylla, in the end, while I do agree he is not a capital “T” troll, he is willing to grab troll like tactics when others point to errors in his “logic” and “facts” So I think he is a jerk in those situations, but since that is also conductive to bannamation I would suggest to Scylla to drop this act of trowing known shit to counteract more factually based opinions.

[elucidator]

Good luck with that.

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Frank]
I’m off to the ball game and have no time…
[/quote]

This quote would make a great cliche. I hope you have a great time, that is I hope your team wins.

[Fear_Itself]

[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]
Well forgive me if I think that attitude would just lead to disrespect for any opinion that you have amongst conservatives.
[/QUOTE]
Well, knock me over with a feather, I had no idea. They are such a quiet, reserved bunch, you can never tell what they are thinking. Remind to give **Scylla ** a cookie next time I bruise his feelings.

[Zebra]

[QUOTE=elucidator]
Its times like this I realize that Scylla’s not such a bad sort, after all.
[/QUOTE]

All he needs is a little love.

Should we take all the decorations off Snoopy’s dog house and put them on Scylla and sing Hark the Herald Angels Sing?

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

[QUOTE=GIGObuster]

My impression now is that he already is on a mission to make more liberals look foolish, it would be a trolling agenda if that was the only point of Scylla,..
[/quote]

You’ve given me something to really bite into. Making the other party look foolish? Is trolling ? My God, what do you think coservatives perceiving a high percentage of posting in the pit is all about? Not a day goes by when some poster ridicules a conservative. Or republicans. They are the ultimate scum of this community. And they are attacked with impugnity! Anyone ragging on liberals like that is guaranteed to be banned. The temperature of the board would melt the fucking hardware if he wasn’t.

I once heard a man say “the measure of a society can be based on how it treats its minorities”. Any wonder in why I’m dissapointed with this thread ?