Conspiracy theorists, this one's for you

The BBQ Pit
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Fuck all the conspiracy nutjobs. I hadn’t really thought about it before, considering them harmless kooks following dumb theories which at least kept them busy and out of the way of normal people.

This story changed my mind. It’s about an Army Sergeant from Hawaii who served his country bravely and well but at some point started to fall for all the stupid shit about the US being responsible for 911, the moon landings being a hoax and probably every other idiotic theory out there. As a result of these beliefs he tried to sign up with what he thought were agents of ISIS, pledging to kill for them. They were in reality FBI agents and he was arrested and charged.

Sure, the guy probably has mental health issues but I started to wonder how many other poor guys out there, maybe unstable, maybe depressed, are influenced by all the conspiracy nuts spreading their insanity through the net, radio, TV, whatever means they can find. I began to realize they weren’t harmless kooks at all, they are dangerous lunatics infecting as many as they can with their ludicrous fantasies. OK, I know it’s impossible to rein them in, freedom of speech is too precious a thing to throw away because of these fuckers. But what I can do just to vent my anger is call them out for what they are.

And what they are is the lowest kind of vermin. Fucking shithouse rats spewing their slimy filth into the eyes and ears of the nation and world, responsible for who knows how many lives destroyed, how many feeble minds persuaded into thinking the US is evil, that its people should be maimed and killed for their supposed crimes against humanity, that anyone opposed to them like ISIS are the good guys, that Jews or alien lizards or wicked American billionaires are behind everything bad that has ever happened. And when those feeble minds go out and kill innocent people the shithouse rats just vomit out more of their noxious bile with no guilt or even consciousness of the harm they are doing, incapable of wrapping their few brain cells around the truth.

Fuck them. Fuck them coming and fuck them going. Fuck them standing and fuck them sitting. Fuck them in every one of their actions, fuck them pissing, fuck them shitting, fuck them laughing, crying, talking, walking, eating, drinking, praying, screwing. Fuck them by day and fuck them by night. Fuck them in the morning, fuck them at noon, fuck them in the afternoon, fuck them in the evening. May Jesus fuck them, may Mohammed fuck them, Buddha, Confucius, Zoroaster, the Flying fucking Spaghetti Monster. May their body parts shrivel and die. May their cock rot, their ass, their feet, their eyes, their nose, their arms, their all. May they see their loved ones scream as they die in agony, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, their sisters, their wives, their sons, their daughters, their dogs, their cats, their fucking pet fish. May their aliens kidnap them and shove long and unpleasant things up their assholes, may their men in black haunt their every moment, may multiple missiles rain down on them guided by mysterious and deadly secret organizations, may NASA agents push them under a truck after mooning them, may they catch measles and die while begging for an inoculation.

In short may all the terrible things they accuse others of unleashing on the world fall on their heads. Simultaneously. And as they take their leave of the planet they have stained and tarnished by their presence may their final thought be of the poor saps whose lives they overturned or destroyed.

And, in case I forgot to say it, fuck them.

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Who made you write this? The government?

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The Shape-changing Alien Lizard People Who Control Our Very Thoughts?

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Do you realize that the curses and violent invective you’ve just indulged in, lands every bit as much on the poor fellow who you are hoping to defend from it, as it is on everyone who “infected” him?

From the moment he heard the very first paranoid idea, and perhaps even before, when his mind was established as fertile ground for paranoid delusions, he became the exact kind of person who you focus your anger on.

Mind you, I am in no way defending the conspiracy people, but the only ones who are NOT also victims of the mind disease of poor reasoning, are the ones who know full well that the conspiracies they promote are lies, and have crafted or adopted them in order to victimize others. And that is a very tiny number of the total group who you see and rant against here.

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If you hear a rumor that I flagged your post, it’s not true.

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At some point, we have to assign moral culpability for willful gullibility. Conspiracy theorists don’t happen by accident. It takes tons of effort to embrace this sort of thing, and tons of effort to ignore everyone telling them they are wrong and explaining why.

Sure, we can say the mentally ill aren’t in complete control of themselves. But then that just lays more culpability on those who are mentally sound but peddle this stuff.

Believing that maybe there might be more to the JFK killing is one thing, but getting trapped in the conspiracy theorist spiral has to have a moral implication, the same way getting caught in drugs has to have a moral implication.

That doesn’t mean it’s right to go out and attack them. That won’t fix anything. But there’s nothing wrong, in my opinion, for considering them morally culpable. The OP has ever right to be fucking pissed at them.

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We recently had a guy firing gun in a pizza parlor because of conspiracy theories.

We also had a person sentenced to prison for harassing Sandy Hook victims because she decided it wasn’t real.

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Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists have come under more publicized scrutiny recently. It’s long overdue. I could see how out of control they were as early as February 2013.

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And things have suddenly gotten much worse under the reign of the Sociopath-in-Chief. Every word that spews from his mouth is a lie, as is every Tweet his tiny fingers can manage. This is the cretin who spent years babbling about Obama’s missing birth certificate.

Recall that it wasn’t a brain-damage victim, but rather Michael Flynn himself, or his son, who endorsed the “Hillary runs her child-sex ring from the basement of a pizza shop” lie — to the point where one red-neck moron showed up with an assault weapon to liberate the child sex slaves.

DJT Junior met illegally with a Russian, and one of SDMB’s own nutcases has proclaimed that this was a clever sting — he was gathering evidence that Hillary was colluding with the Russians!

The electorate is now effectively controlled by Lies, Lies, and Bigger Lies. Once we just had a few crazy people wandering the slums, mostly harmless but with crazy ideas. Now deceit has become the paramount ideal of America’s ruling political party.

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This. When a “conspiracy theorist” keeps saying all kinds of crazy shit, KNOWING that people will believe it, and KNOWING that some will act on it, we have gone beyond just talk, into incitement. There has to be a line in the sand.

I’m talking directly about Alex Jones but he is only the best known and most obvious. You don’t get to spew that bullshit for years and then step back and say “I didn’t know anyone would do something”… when YOU put the fucking ideas in their heads to begin with.

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Cite?

Because I gotta admit, you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

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Who do you think is conspiring with Trump to send moronic tweets from his account?

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At least those assholes are derided by the media, I know of a small group of conspiracy theorists (and narcissistic skidmarks that feed on them) that have successfully peddled their fantasies to a large number of news sources who pass them as news, to the detriment of thousands of people.

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You thought conspiracy theorists were harmless? Really?

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Pizzagate is happening under his watch. Encouraged by the likes of Alex Jones who Trump happily hobnobs.

There also the fact that POTUS is a birther, a conspiracy that made 911 truthers look smart.

Plus his anti vaccine stance, which is basically conspiracy theories.

Not to mention he constant derides things as FAKE NEWS constantly, even when the end up getting proven.

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Trump never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t like, apparently, if he can use it to grab center stage.

Examples of “theories” he pushed and blabbed about (this is the SHORT list):

A state health director in Hawaii was murdered, to cover up Obama’s fake birth certificate (yeah really). By the Obamunists apparently.

And Obama and the IRS and Eric Schneidermann were targeting and persecuting him.

The election was rigged (until he managed his “electoral landslide” that wasn’t a landslide), oh yeah, MILLIONS of illegal aliens voted against him too.

And Obama was targeting conservative websites

And Obama was arming and aiding ISIS

And Scalia was murdered (by liberals) “Well I just heard today, just a little while ago actually, I just landed and I’m hearing it’s a big topic, the question, and it’s a horrible topic but they say they found the pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow.”

And Clinton had Vince Foster murdered “I don’t bring [Foster’s death] up because I don’t know enough to really discuss it,” Trump said. “I will say there are people who continue to bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. I don’t do that because I don’t think it’s fair.”

And Rafael Cruz (Ted’s daddy) was part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy

And thousands Of Muslim-Americans In New Jersey Celebrated On 9/11 (except it never happened)

And Trump told the Iowa National Security Action Summit that Christians are prohibited from coming into the U.S.: “Muslims can come in but other people can’t.

And “Christianity is being chipped away at in this country,” Trump said at a campaign stop, citing tax regulations that prevent churches from engaging in partisan electoral activity. “I mean, really, they’ve shut Christianity down.”

And OF COURSE Obama wants to take away ALL the guns - While campaigning in South Carolina Trump told supporters about a planned move by Obama to “take your guns away”: “You know, the president is thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away. You hear this one?”

And “Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment, she wants to abolish it,” he said at a rally in Washington state. “Hillary Clinton wants to take your guns away, she wants to abolish the Second Amendment, she wants to take the bullets away, she wants to take it.” rump told the NRA convention that Clinton will “overturn the Second Amendment” and “release the violent criminals from jail.”

And global warming is a Chinese hoax

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Not sure if Sir Winston himself actually said something like this, but similar variations are commonly attributed to Mark Twain. Here, the

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(Quote Origin: A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes – Quote Investigator®) traces some earlier evolution of this quote back even much further.