[[C#3 says that he was only there yesterday for an outpatient procedure for installation of a medi-port for future delivery of chemotherapy. His wife is at home and zonked out on pain pills.]]
I still am totally amazed that you choose to spend this time making an ass of yourself on the computer. I can’t believe you can’t find better use of your time - especially “if” you have a sick wife. WHAT do you get out of this? This is not about freedom of speech. It’s about getting rid of an annoying, bratty, harassing imbecile. WHY should we have to put up with this?
Melin said (and I do apologize for using this thread for this, once more):
" Sorry Coldfire, doesn’t wash. For hundreds of millions of people, Adolf Hitler was only Satan’s minion. The name Satan has been an equivalent to evil for hundreds or thousands of years. Ban one, ban the other. "
Yeah right. Tell that to 6 million Jews and numerous people that had to actually live through the hardships of WWII. Or the (grand)children of such people, for that matter !
I can’t believe the nerve you got to compare a fictional character (evil or not) with a genocidal maniac that completely overturned 20th century history. IMHO, the first person to suffer from the Deeds of Satan (well, not Brian, he’s harrassed many people, the other one ) has yet to reveal himself.
And PLDenison stated a vary good point as well: if a username is an equivalent to Evil for a large group of people, God should be banned as well, way before Satan should be.
FTR, Satan and God are fine with me as usernames. I’m not personally offended by them - although some other people might be. They are however offended because of BELIEFS. I am offended because of you being unable to face certain FACTS, namely that the name Adolf Hitler doesn’t only make an equivalent for Evil to many people, the guy actually proved that he was evil.
Condoning such a username, or moreover taking on such an alias, is a grotesque denial of historical fact and reveals great stupidity, if nothing more.
Normally I try to find the good in a person, but C#3 is seriously testing that right now. About the only thing I have been able to come up with is at some point he has to sleep which means he is unable to post. Eating/driving/bathroom duties can also fit in there. I’ve gotta think that the only thing that will work is just ignoring him. Has he added anything to a single thread since his ouster? No. Is he likely to add anything worthwhile as long as he is being a complete dingbat? No. Let him have his fun, it’ll run it’s course, and then maybe he will shut up and get back to the important things of life like caring for a sick wife (I will assume she exists for now, but it is starting to teeter towards the “Only I can see her kinda like Big Bird can only see Snuffalupagis” side of the scale. Let C#3 post whatever he wants. The moderators will wipe him out when needed and by just ignoring what he says, he’s likely to get tired of pissing off no one.
Ahhh, it is truly amazing how the same world can turn out so many decent people (regardless of their beliefs/interest/etc) and then turn right around and spit out someone like C#3 that does nothing but seemingly contaminate the gene pool
Am I the only person who hasn’t seen C#3 act up for months before this whole thing happened? Am I the only person who wonders why a post with the EXACT SAME LINK THAT WAS CUT SEVERAL TIMES BY NICKRZ IN GQ WAS ALLOWED TO STAY UP IN MPSIMS SINCE OCTOBER 10TH WITHOUT ANY RECOURSE? Am I the only person who sees how C#3 might have been a bit confused by that?
drain bead: Calm down there, boss. Unlike mere mortals like me and thee, the admins and mods do not have the luxury of spending their entire lives on this MB. Give them a little time to a) find the link, b) research whether they simply missed it the first time or they saw it and let it pass, c) decide what if anything is an appropriate answer to your query and d) respond.
<< Would you be just as offended if a poster used the name “Joe Stalin” or “Mao Zedong?” >>
Yes. There are poster IDs that are funny, there are some that are cute, there are some that are incomprehensibobble… and there are some in excruciatingly poor taste: “Adolf Hitler” or “Joe Stalin” or “Baby-Murderer” or “John Wayne Gacy” or “Klu Klux Klansman” or “Pedophile” or … IMHO, such choices demonstrate an incredible absence of human decency on the part of the person selecting them.
Whether such names should be deleted is addressed case by case.
This soap opera has ceased to be entertaining. I say the motivations are being way over-analyzed.
This reminds me of a battle in (of all places) an historical society. A family was carrying on a war in the press and meetings against the county (who picked up the tab.) Close to zero attention was being paid to actual history. All of our efforts were being wasted on nonproductive arguments. Besides which, the public was being turned off of history. Who was right? What’s the diff?
I eventually realized I had allowed the whole business to fester too long. I suggested to the most attacked parties that everyone should be fired (who could be fired) and that I would happily take the heat and no longer allow our meetings to deteriorate into political gripe sessions rather than historical meetings. Nobody would risk looking bad. I quit instead.
I am happier. The historical society is still waging their war years later. The county is still unhappy, too, but still underwriting everything. (It’s not their money of course. It’s the taxpayers’.)
Close to no local history work is being done. Everyone (but me) is still constantly worked up. Nobody has joined the group for years. Nobody has any reason to think local history is fun and interesting.
My point is that it doesn’t matter one whit why a guy was banned. It was the right decision no matter what the reason was. I am happy to have found a place of overwhelmingly intelligent discussion, especially in comparison to all other boards I’ve seen. I’ve seen more good historical insight here in several weeks than I’ve heard from the society in years, and this ain’t even an historical board. If anyone ticks off an administrator for any reason, I say can them instantly. I don’t want to see the enjoyable posters driven away, making me go look elsewhere for this. One guy being wronged (which certainly does not appear to be the case anyway) does not matter at all. So sez me.
As for the other irritating direction to this string, look at it (as I do) that a guy adopting the name Adolph Hitler is making fun of Hitler rather than honoring him. If you can not manage that, then take your whining on out of here. You don’t here me whining, do you? . . . Oh, I guess you do. Drat.
You’re right, Mj. These two were monsters as well.
However, their deeds did not touch most of us.
Hitler, on the other hand, touched nearly everyone. My father fought the Germans and was a POW. Two of my uncles perished in that war. Many, many others have similar stories to tell. I wouldn’t be surprised if yours were among them.
Plus, the atrocities are there for everyone to see. There are many real life films about the horrors of the concentration camps. Mao and Stalin went about their business away from prying eyes. All we have are numbers and very few first hand accounts.
So, it’s not only the evil, but our perception of it. Mao and Stalin were monsters, but they simply do not inspire the same loathing that I feel for Hitler.
Coldfire is Dutch. He can probably explain it far better than I ever could.
Hey, um, I hate to state the obvious here, but “Cheiflaffitup” (and “Adolph Hitler” too … I’m pretty sure about that, and even if I’m wrong, come on people, it’s a HIGHLY objectionable screen name, particularly so if the user insists on tossing out phrases like “Nein!” and “tolerating no dissidents” and signing off as “Der Fuhrer”; let’s play no semantic games about “who’s worse, Satan or etc.”) is the same guy as Contestant #3, and ALL of these names ought to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
The next step is to notify his ISP with abuse complaints, and when he comes back with another ISP, notify the new ISP with abuse complaints and so on.
Look at it this way: out of all the registered users/happy campers here at the SDMB, only one so far has such a long history of trouble, and should be treated accordingly. Take a deep breath and wake up to the fact that this guy is going to continue being an aggressive disruption for his own amusement and self-aggrandizement, unless proactive measures are taken. A new name does not a new person make.
The downside is the incredible amount of attention that has now been focused on this matter. Endless speculation about the name(s) C#3 is now posting under. Banning another name, it would appear, just because it seemed to be a reincarnation of C#3.
I can & do understand that abuse of this board to entice the 3000 (and growing) registered members to commercial sites cannot be tolerated, and possibly could wind up jeopardizing the continued existence of this board, but this method of dealing with it sure takes up a lot of bandwidth.
Personal opinion here: when it is necessary to exile someone from this board, the post explaining it should be factual (Contestant #3 was banned for posting links to commercial sites/pyramid schemes and abusive language towards moderators when an attempt was made to handle this in a low-key manner) rather than the inflammatory and subjective “for being a jerk” that Ed cited in his OP. This post certainly left me with the impression that C#3 was removed for his in-your-face posting style rather than a clear violation of board rules. I guess Martyr #7 was removed just for being Connie, despite Tuba’s assurance that he would be welcomed back if he acted nicely. You know, if everyone on this board was as nice, logical, coherent, accurate, and intelligent as I am ;), this board would be a very boring place…
JFTR, please don’t construe my earlier post in any way as a defense of Hitler (historical, not poster).
On the scale that those three committed evil, it’s hard to say which one was truly most evil–but there is no question on who inspires the greatest loathing.
BTW, I seem to recall that Mike Tyson now sports either a tattoo of Mao or I saw him wearing a t-shirt of Mao.
Mjollnir:
I didn’t conclude that from your post, don’t worry. And yes, those other names are also offensive. I’d react in the very same manner.
Pundrit (sp?) said:
" As for the other irritating direction to this string, look at it (as I do) that a guy adopting the name Adolph Hitler is making fun of Hitler rather than honoring him. If you can not manage that, then take your whining on out of here. You don’t here me whining, do you? . . . Oh, I guess you do. Drat. "
Hitler is dead, making fun of him isn’t gonna help ANYONE. And signing off as “Der Führer” does NOT sound like a parody to me. So no, I cannot manage to look at it the way you do. As to the fact whether or not I was whining, I suggest you read other posters’ reactions in this matter and start calling them sissies too. In other words, your opinion seems to be an isolated one amongst a majority of people who, like me, find usernames such as Adolf Hitler offensive. Calling the rest of the world whiners is not going to help. Growing up might.
Otherwise meet me in the Pit, if you feel the urge. Better to wisen up now, though…
The only thing I got from the “Hitler” sig was that he was comparing the Moderator’s trying to moderate(how dare they!) with the genocidal policies of the Nazis. Now, if anyone has anything good to say about an unmoderated board, I would like to hear it.
Maybe he believes he’s a special case and that he alone deserves free reign.
I’m with you on that, Slythe. Few things irk me so much as someone complaining that a trivial action against them is “Nazi-like.” Someone can’t paint the f-word on the walls of the high school, and complains of Nazi-like censorship. A kid’s parents restrict their e-mail usage and the kid complains he’s the victim of Nazis. Someone behaving rudely at a party is shown the door and complains that it’s Naziism. Sheeeeee-it.
When you’re being beaten bloody, and kicked and stomped on by six or seven football player-sized guys in uniforms, who steal all your property and shoot your spouse and children in front of your eyes, you can compare *that to Nazism.
The whining that trivializes Nazism is, IMHO, a significant danger. It means that when a real threat arises, like Milosovic, the public has become almost immune to the charge that he is, indeed, Nazi-like. That’s now a ho-hum accusation. This situation bothers me.
OK, so I should take this part of the topic to Great Debates forum.
Seriously, I fully support this decision, as I have never seen C3 post much if anything worthwhile (maybe in MPSIMS, which I visit less often), and I have seen him resort to lies, bigotry, anti-intellectualism, and downright obnoxicity on countless occassions. The Ponzi scheme was certainly the last straw. Too bad such a course was not available (if indeed it was not) with a much more useless and offensive poster on the old SDMB – much unpleasantness could have been avoided (unpleasantness in which I was certainly not blameless).
[[Since C#3 is, as we understand it, currently occupying most of his time with his wife who is in the hospital for breast cancer, as posted in a thread in GQ, this comment seems more-than-usually acerbic, if not downright nasty.]] Melin
I know I’m not as nice as you, Melin (no, I’m NOT being sarcastic), but I wouldn’t belive that on C3’s say-so, not in a million years. Perhaps he’s got a place in the country, too.
Bob, I’ve been e-mailing back and forth with Connie for ages now (sometime around the Prayer at Graduation thread), and I can assure you that the entire thing with his wife is most decidedly real. And you don’t know how much it hurts him to see people insinuate otherwise. So please, feel free to keep your open season on him, but try to avoid the topic of his wife. I’d imagine that most of you married posters would want the same respect, whether or not everyone else thought you were an asshole.
Drain Bead, you may have noticed that, though I had my doubts due to his previous postings, I have not touched upon the subject of his wife. But you have to take into account all of his previous postings before you get upset about our doubts. This is a problem he created and probably highly regrets now. I will give him the benefit of the doubt this time and wish his wife all the best.
) has yet to reveal himself.