You actually have no idea what I think about policing in America. Not because I’ve kept it from you but because you have no interest in reading or responding to anything that doesn’t invoke outrage & histrionics.
The full encounter is shown on the Audit the Audit channel, with commentary:
…I’ve been reading your posts in this thread.
And they reveal an awful lot about your thoughts on policing in America and how you think racism is not just a justice system problem, or just an American society problem and that somehow means that what we are talking about here is something that Americans alone don’t have to fix. And I imagine that you think that policing in America could be fixed by fixing things that can be fixed, one step at a time, with some reasonable expectation of measurable success.
I disagree.
Man, that stop is bullshit. And, kudos to the driver for maintaining his cool in the face of utter incompetence on the part of the sheriff.
This looks like gobbledygook. I’m not sure what I said that you’re disputing.
I was specifically addressing the Daunte Wright incident. You keep wanting to turn it into a conversation about the entire American Justice system. I got tired of your constant distracting generalizations and decided to illustrate to you how general we can get about the topic of racism. In summary, I out-gobbledygooked you. Your move.
With what exactly?
“I am more full of shit than you!”
Congratulations. You win.
Is there no beginning to the value you contribute to any given conversation?
When it comes to supplying “gobbledygook”, I cannot compete with you, alas.
Modesty doesn’t suit you.
No, you!
I win, yay!!
…did you not read my post? Did you not read what I just wrote? Did you not read what @Cervaise just said?
For decades black people have been trying to fix things that can be fixed, one step at a time, over and over again.
And yet this is where we are at.
Part of the problem is that you aren’t seeing the problem. Part of the problem is that you have 17,000 police agencies, from City Police to State and Highway Police to County Sheriff’s to the Feds. Part of the problem is that over the last year we have watched as the police have deliberately targeted journalists with everything from pepper balls to riot shields and on almost every occasion they have gotten away with it.
You’ve got a completely broken system that feeds into the industrial prison complex that is jailing black people and people of colour in numbers so large that you are leading the world. There is no fixing this “one step of at a time.” Because you have 17,000 different agencies and if you mangage to somehow reform one you’ve got 16,999 more to go, and those reforms can be flipped with a change in political party or even the election of a new police chief. Because you have police unions that protect bad actors, because you have police officers that enjoy playing soldier and because you’ve got an entire political party that will protect them at any cost.
The entire system is broken.
It doesn’t work that way. Even if Wright managed to survive his encounter with police here he was already in the pipeline to eventually be spending a long time in jail. Because that’s how the system works. You can’t ignore the greater context.
You know what I love? I love people who come along and describe in painful detail the problems that almost all reasonable people already know exist and need fixing. The trouble is you and others like you are completely incapable of offering any solution that doesn’t start with, ‘First, let’s chuck it all in the bin!’ The trouble is, that’s the extent of your helpful advice.
Fuck that noise.
The only way to fix what’s broken is a step at a time because that is how you solve big complex problems - by breaking them up into smaller, more manageable problems. In a country as large and complex as the US, that is done through iterative changes, not by histrionic shouting about the blindingly fucking obvious.
Wright had a warrant for his arrest for attempted robbery, assault and possession of an unlicensed firearm. The system didn’t make him commit that crime. The system sent him a summons to appear in court which he ignored. The system is not to blame for his decision to attempt to evade arrest for the second time.
That said, he did not deserve to be shot and killed. The cop is 100% responsible for his wrongful death.
Do you see how it’s possible to hold both parties accountable for the tragic circumstances & outcome?
Only one party was responsible for the actions of that police officer.
Did I say otherwise? What part of “cop is 100% responsible for his wrongful death” do you take exception with?
Yes, you said otherwise:
You are a tiresome idiot.
Step 0 is believing there is a problem, and we don’t really even have that yet. Step 1/2 is going to be figuring out how to reduce Steps 1 - 17,000 to a manageable number of steps, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.