Hog-tying people does not generally kill them.
So police can do anything to a law-breaker that “does not generally kill them”? If it only sometimes kills people, it’s okay all the time? Police have no responsibility to try and minimize the risk of death to people in their custody?
This is totally different than your other argument, by the way – that the police aren’t responsible because he first broke the law before being hogtied and killed by police.
The police could possibly have been more vigilant in making sure he wasn’t having breathing problems, but that doesn’t absolve him of the fact that it was his own fault that he had to be hog-tied;
[QUOTE=Dr. Donald T. Reay]
At present, no satisfactory alternatives to hog-tied and prone restraint exist. Police administrators who wish to prevent deaths that occur during hog-tied restraint should not authorize use of the maneuver. Yet, experience shows that sometimes no other type of restraint will control a violent, aggressive subject. Until an alternative method of restraint is developed, officers must be aware of the risks, vigilantly monitor subjects’ conditions, and take every precaution to avert fatalities.
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Well, this guy survived his encounter with police:
D.C. police framed man imprisoned 27 years for 1981 murder, U.S. jury finds
If he hadn’t been a convenient suspect, he wouldn’t have had to have been framed. His conviction is a direct consequence of his decision to be a convenient suspect.
For the record, I do not condone police framing innocent people.
Just shooting them? :dubious:
Even if we accept that, is his death a reasonable and justifiable consequence?
Tragic and possibly avoidable, but ultimately his own fault.
Death is a direct consequence of being born.
Getting murdered while walking down the sidewalk is a direct consequence of walking.
Smapti, you are insane. What your condition was a consequence of is of no consequence, just as drugs in the victim’s system are of no consequence to his having been needlessly needlessly and excessively tasered to the point of death.
Yes, these police officers knowing committed perjury, causing a man to lose his freedom and be locked in a horrible place for damn-near 30 years and AND…they let a killer escape justice…because no one was looking for him anymore. All so they could close a case. See, it was people very unlike you who brought this terrible, horrific crime to light.
They are still lying their asses off:
Even after SCIENCE said ‘this cannot be the guy’ and it was proven that theyfalsified evidence, they are still saying ‘We did a good job…a GOOD job…’
The point we are trying to get you to understand is that your beloved police officers are sometimes just as bad as the people they arrest. Sometimes, they are far, far worse. But they have weapons and legal authority and and they get to write the reports so that their crimes look just like good police work.
Its like the case mentioned upthread, where the cop shot the man multiple times in the back as he was running away, walked over to the suspect and planted a weapon, and said the suspect grabbed his taser. The cop did this in full view of another cop. Had it not been caught on video, that would have been the official story. Officer shoots suspect who was trying to harm the officer, rather than cop shoots suspect as he was running away from a petty and non-violent offence and then drops a weapon on his still-warm corpse.
We are long passed the point where police officers automatically get the benefit of the doubt.
For emphasis, LONG, motherfucking past that point.
Hollywood, Florida, six years ago: a veteran officer with a history of damaging his patrol car rearended a parked car and decided to arrest that driver rather than taking the blame and getting in trouble yet again. That officer got two other veteran officers and a departmental civilian employee to back him up.
Luckliy for that driver, the officers forgot that the dash-cam was on. All four were subsequently fired.
At least they didn’t summarily dump him in some remote cornfield. 
Oh come on, now. If you’re going to make up a story, try to make it remotely believable.
Did we do this one yet?
Floyd Dent Trial: William Melendez, Michigan Ex-Cop, Found Guilty in Traffic Stop Beating
Again, it’s that damn dashcam video that’s going to prevent the police from policing.
I guess Smapti disagrees with that last line.
Yes, from the story, who could honestly believe that cops would possibly behave like this:
“Throughout the tape, the cops acknowledged what they are doing is illegal, but when you are the law, there is nothing wrong with bending it for a fellow cop, one says.”
I hope that’s your Smapti impression.
Sorry, the joke was that the part where the cops actually got fired for this was the unbelievable part.
Not only were they fired, two of them had jail time. 90 days for Pressley, don’t recall what Francisco got but he was facing 30 years.