I’d say mea culpa. Although I did say in one of my earlier posts acknowledge it isn’t certain what happened either way.
I’ve already addressed this, read my posts. I said that NO MATTER WHAT if a cop kills someone who isn’t a direct threat to 1) another member of society, 2) himself, it’s a bad decision, one the police shouldn’t be making. If that’s what happened I have already said I would view that as a bad thing. And I woud still not mourn for the kid because the kid was a criminal, and I don’t mourn for scumbags even if the manner in which they died was reprehensible (see Jeffrey Dahmer.)
Also, no one says pancakges are worth a life, that’s yet another strawman. What people are saying is that if the cop really was in danger then he was justified in using lethal force.
And what I’m saying is, regardless of the appropriateness of the cop’s actions, there’s one less criminal in the world so the world is a slightly better place now.
Oh, so one of the criminals says it was the cops fault.
Perfect reason to condemn the cop, obviously they are a good source of unbiased and reliable information on this matter.
Still no evidence as to whether or not he followed the policy. Just because someone is dead doesn’t mean he didn’t exhaust all other options. Why are you concluding A+B = X when we don’t have B yet?
Not if he put himself in danger without justification. If a cop throws himself in front of a moving vehicle in response to a dine and dash, lethal force is not justified. If he can’t get out of the way, he has to take one for the team. Society holds cops to a higher standard than teens with poor judgement.
Yeah, obviously if the cop wasn’t justified in what he did he wasn’t justified, duh.
We don’t know, yet, though. According to the earliest report we saw the officer said the car attempted to run him down, that’s different from a situation where the cop leaps out in front of a moving vehicle guns a’blazing.
I don’t know what happened, it’s possible and even possibly probable that the cop acted inappropriately.
But we don’t know, yet.
Only when it conveniently fits one’s narrow little viewpoint, it seems.
So, if I’m parked illegally and a cop is writing tickets (he’s just coming down and ticketing the line of cars and hasn’t gotten mine yet) and I start to pull away…should I expect him to dive in front of my car and start shooting?
After all, I AM doing something illegal! And fleeing the scene!
Obviously I deserve to die.
-JOe
If he wasn’t the nephew of one of your best friends would it be a great tragedy to you? What if you had never even heard about it? I can’t be concerned with the death of every stupid kid in America who decides to do something criminal and ends up in the morgue.
No, Aaron Brown was a thief. Someone who took that which was not his. Speeding isn’t criminal nor is making a mistake on your taxes (that is only criminal if you deliberately conceal.)
How does it show I’m lazy?
Yeah, it isn’t Aaron’s fault that his friend may have charged a cop, and it isn’t Aaron’s fault that a cop may have overreacted. But Aaron didn’t have to go out and be a thief that fatal night, he put himself there.
Except for that account where he was a thief.
So was John Gotti.
Pretty convenient the way you are ignoring the latest eyewitness acoount that places the cop not in front of the vehicle, but to one side firing into the side of the car as the driver tries to avoid him.
The problem with your hypo bup is that it fails to distinguish between felonies and misdomeanors. These kids did not rob a bank they did not pay for a meal. Big difference, morally and legally. If I agree to go into a bank with you to throw waterballoons at the manager and then when we get in you pull out a gun and shoot him, am I guilty of the murder? NO. But if I go in to rob the bank with you and you pull out a gun and shoot somebody I will be guilty of murder. Same here.
Yes, because a kid whose greatest crime is the old dine ‘n’ dash is just as bad as a mafia don.
:rolleyes:
Ah, so the dead kid has already been tried and convicted posthumously, then? Or on what basis are you calling him a criminal?
What bullshit anyhow. You don’t think there were positive traits of this kid that outweighed the fact that he might have skipped out on a bill?
If the world would be a better place if every “criminal” were killed, it’d be a pretty empty world. Every person who’s ever sped, ever drunk alcohol underage, ever made an illegal left turn after the light turned red, ever littered, should be dead. We’d be better off.
I think we can just assume this cop was just one of a few bad apples.
Oh, and so were the kids!
So was Gotti.
Wheeeeeee!
You mean the eyewitness who was in the car?
The one who has every reason to lie because he is 1) a criminal and 2) mad his friend is dead.
If there’s another eyewitness report I missed it after just skimming through the last few pages looking for it (I genuinely may have missed it, not being a smart ass.)
what a fucking tool you are. You are seriously putting a petty theif in the same basket as a Mob figure?
Let me ask you - do you ever order stuff on line? through catalogs? have you ever done so? do you carefully keep track of all such purchases so that at the end of the year you can pay the appropriate use tax to your state? If not, I submit to you that you, too, are a theif, a tax cheat, and depending on how often you’ve failed to do so, a career criminal, certainly much more $$ involved than this particular crime (incidentally, do you currently have proof that the dead kid was in fact owing the restaurant anything? from the number of kids and the amount of $$ involved, it’s entirely possible that at least one of the persons didn’t order anything)
You have to prove he lied, not just grump that he might have. You could say the same thing about the cop’s testimony, he has every reason to lie to cover his ass.
Of course. And in a case where it’s he-said-she said, you can’t really believe either one so that can’t be enough to make a determination sans other evidence.
In your original post, you said
I thought you were saying he shouldn’t have been shot because he fits into the class of “bystander.”
I will almost assuredly agree he should not have been shot after the dust settles, but not *because * he was a bystander. Regardless of the level of the crime, if someone were shot because the vehicle they were in was fleeing the crime, they’re not bystanders. I just thought the bank robbery example made that easier to see.
If this were Rudy Guiliani’s NYPD, my knee would also be jerking, but then, good ol’ Rudy would already have declared the cop totally innocent, would have started a PR campaign against everyone in the car, and would have the cop in pistol training for only hitting passenger.
As I don’t know Alexandria’s history, I’m not going to jerk my knee and pass judgment until the PD, State Attorney’s office, and FBI give me a better story. Right now, all I’m hearing from the PD is, “No comment until we know more” and from car mates of the victim, “Of course we did nothing wrong.” Both expected. No lawyer is going to let the kid go, “Steve-O, he gunned his engine at the pig…no way was he getting a DUI.”
Casual purchases are typically exempted from the use tax.
check again asshole. Not in my state they aren’t, and I’d be willing to bet not in yours either. But you’ve just admitted (essentially) that you have, indeed made purchases out of state for items that were intended for use in your state w/o paying use tax.
Theif.