Will Donald Trump take his own medicine?
Trump says he may take drug to treat coronavirus, questions states’ ventilator needs, Reuters, April 5, 2020. (Yeah, that’s still tomorrow in my time zone :dubious:)
I’ve read (in the news and on this Board) that it’s getting hard to find, with so many people snapping it up. Hope Trump is able to get his supply. I think aquarium supply stores may still have supplies.
This article claims the following:
india already has 75,000 or more infections as of right now;
The United States already had 2 million infected* as of two weeks ago;*
20,000 Americans will have died from the virus by mid-April.
Why take it if not infected? 
Hmmm.
The first two claims are not verifiable but the last claim is true and accurate. My napkin math says most likely the US will top 20,000 deaths on 8 April but no later than 10 April.
I think, according to some of the woo going around, it will protect you from getting it, as well as treating the disease if you already have it. The science isn’t perfectly clear :smack:
There was a plan, and a backup plan.
But Trump disbanded the pandemic guys in National Security, and the problems with the National Stockpile probably goes back several administrations.
Don’t rule out “terrified germphobe with high risk traits and not a lot of smarts”.
have been reading a lot on hydroxychloroquine, India’s capacity right now is 20 crore (200 million) tablets per month… cadilla, ipca, torrent et cetera are the manufacturers, cadilla said it will increase its capacity from 2 crore to 20 crore tablets per month …if every supplier does it then India could produce 200 crore (2 billion) tablets per month. Fingers crossed… we need to supply to entire world.
Trump calls Modi, requests for export of hydroxychloroquine from India
Edit: these 20 cr. Tabs are of 200 mg dosage each.
^^If 20% population of the world is High risk (old age person, healthcare worker etc) and we make 10 pills for every high risk person, then the need is atleast 15 billion (1500 cr. ) pills worldwide. Minus China(I think they can make for themselves, they have the capacity), the need would still be 12 billion pills.
Modi has banned all exports of hydroxychloroquine.
An AP investigation confirms what many of us already know: U.S. ‘wasted’ months before preparing for virus pandemic.
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A lot of people are staking a lot of hope on something that’s probably going to turn out to be worthless.
Yes, we have just begun studying hydroxychloroquine against the coronavirus. Yes, it will kill the virus in vitro. But it really just isn’t that promising. These early stage studies non-blinded studies aren’t very rigorous and are vulnerable to selection bias and placebo effect - not to mention that that it’s pretty easy to cheat on them. There has always acceptance of the methodology in spite of this, because normally it would be followed by a series of increasing rigorous double-blind trials.
Scientists have been studying the potential of hydroxychloroquine as an anti-viral for 40 years. Nothing has planned out yet. It’s been proven ineffective against flu. It was ineffective in early tests against SARS-CoV, a virus that is very similar to coronavirus.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30089-8/fulltext
Too many of the doctors pushing this treatment seem sketchy and far too eager to be on Fox News. The original French study, which piqued the interest of the right wing media machine, was incredibly flawed. And even that study didn’t show much success for the hydroxychloroquine without the Z-pack.
At this moment, Trump is like a stage 4 cancer patient grasping at straws. He desperately believes. Reading between the lines, I’m pretty sure Trump thinks he’s going to be able to give everyone in America a pill and send them to church next Sunday. The wrongheadedness is scary. It’s important to remember that this drug HAS been studied as an anti-viral with no success.
There were few more studies after the original French study which also show efficacy. Anyone interested may look them up online… Coupled with that there are individual doctors and patients with their findings and experiences.
Or, since you are the one making the claim, you could … what do we call it again, oh yeah, cite your claims yourself.
Also, the plural of anecdote is not data.
CMC fnord!
Besides, a larger proportion of patients with improved pneumonia in the HCQ treatment group (80.6%, 25 of 32) compared with the control group (54.8%, 17 of 32). Notably, all 4 patients progressed to severe illness that occurred in the control group. However, there were 2 patients with mild adverse reactions in the HCQ treatment group. Significance: Among patients with COVID-19, the use of HCQ could significantly shorten TTCR and promote the absorption of pneumonia.
There are also a lot of people with effectively magical beliefs who are desperate for some sort of cure or control for this disease, whose individual opinions, even taken collectively, should inspire scientific research but should not substitute for it.
If you’ve invested yourself in a belief, it’s very difficult to see the situation in an unbiased way.
There is one more french study with 80 patients which also is very promising.
Here is a list of studies which cited the French article; unfortunately the majority have high access costs so are only available to patrons of major libraries and not to the general public (without paying a lot of money).
From the home page(red coloring from the original)