Cortislim: Miracle drug or snake oil?

I debated whether to put this in IMHO, but I think I want factual answers.

This new diet drug is all over the radio and tv, with a caveat that it’s “much too powerful” for the casual dieter.

Not that I would ever spend money on a diet pill, but I’m intrigued. The ads claim that the fat hormone cortisol, which is produced when you are stressed, is what makes you fat.

I’m getting a big :dubious: here, but I wanted to know if there was any truth to any of this. Is there such a thing as cortisol? Is it cortisol that makes you fat, and not sitting on the couch eating Cheetos and Ben and Jerry’s? How does Cortislim attack the fat hormone? Can we give up our gym memberships and just pop the $153 a bottle pills? (Not a chance, I know, but I’d like to also know how Cortislim can get away with these claims.)

I found an apparently unbiased review here. Take it for what it’s worth. Bottom line, according the the author, is that it’s largely hype, but there may be some merit. Overall, my impression is that good diet and excercise would be a better way to go.

I found the site 3FatChicks.com some time back when Leptoprin, that miracle $153 a bottle diet pill was making the rounds. This review is of that pill.

http://www.3fatchicks.com/diet-toolbox/articles/leptoprin-ingredients-exposed.html

This page has a discussion of Cortislim

As they say, “Scientists have indeed been looking into the role of cortisol in obesity, but at this point it is still theoretical.”

IMO, we seem to be entering another golden age of quackery. I see the ads for cotorslim and others that are for non-medicinal pills to increase energy and ones to fight macular degeneration. How the FDA isn’t all over these companies is a mystery to me.

Quackwatch lists it on its Be Wary of Infomercials page.

Which pretty much says it all right there. If it worked, they wouldn’t need to sell it via infomercials. Q.E.D.

Sorry. :slight_smile:

So Cortislim may be useful to those people who binge when they are stressed, but more for “calming” them than as an actual weight loss pill?

I remember reading an article in some ladies magazine while waiting for the doctor…this poor woman’s weight ballooned 200-300 pounds, and while her doctors told her it was just poor diet and lack of exercise, it turned out she had a medical condition that caused her body to secrete excessive amounts of cortisol.

Does such a condition exist?

I know there’s no “magic pill” for weight loss. I’m waiting for Cortislim to go the way of those ab exercisers, that toned your abs with little electrical impulses. :rolleyes: Took some time, but the FDA finally shut them down.

Possibly, but it’s not the first explanation I’d look for if someone got fat.

Two notes:

  1. As I understand it, a low cortisol environment doesn’t translate to automatic weight loss. It would increase the effects of diet and exercise, but you still wouldn’t get anything for free.

  2. Cortisol is really, really important. If you dropped your cortisol levels to nil, you’d die. So if Cortislim can have a significant impact on your cortisol levels, it’s probably not being regulated closely enough.

Ah, but they’re back. One is out now, claiming that the FDA has approved it and its spokesperson is none other than Sarah, ex-Duchess of York. :eek:

Nonsense. Unmitigated nonsense. How many times does it have to be said - the only way you can become fat is if you consume more calories than you expend. So, obviously your choices are:

  1. Consume fewer calories
  2. Expend more calories

or, even better - Do both!

Honestly, if people spent half as much energy on excercising, or learning to reduce the ridiculous portion sizes they consume, as they do on searching for miracle “diet pills”, the obesity epidemic would vanish almost overnight!

How. Many. Times. Does. It. Need. To. Be. Said??? Eat. Less. Move. Around. More. You. Will. Lose. Weight.

I hope this won’t be taken as an ad hominem attack. That is not my style. However, when a person has a longstanding pattern of questionable or illegal activities, I do take it into account when weighing their claims, and without “Dr.” Greg Cynaumon’s claims, the product Cortislim wouldn’t even be under discussion, and might not even exist.

This is not medical advice. In fact, due to liability concerns I want to make it clear that I am posting this as just my ‘everyman’ research of available web info.

I draw a distinction between Cortislim and the scientific work of Dr. Shawn Talbot, who Cynaumon originally called the sole inventor of Cortislim Dr. Talbot seems to be a legitimate, qualified researcher. I may or may not agree with some of his theories, or believe they are as fully supported by good research as I might like, but the same can be said for many legitimate avenues of research.

I don’t know Dr. Talbot’s exact relationship to the product, company or marketing campaign (Cynaumon has given contradictory accounts), but I suspect that it is no accident that Talbot plays no active role in any of it, despite having written several books on his theories of the effects of cortisol modulation (which is indeed, a major steroid hormone) on weight and health.

I reviewed the Cortislim™ product info page quite some time ago, and found it a deliberately confusing hodgepodge of trademarks within trademarks (e.g. the ingredients are themselves trademarked proprietary formulations) with the ultimate ingredients having poorly investigated or documented effects. It is my impression, verified by many user accounts across the web, that its primary effect on most people is a mild-moderate reduction in anxiety.

The underlying principle seems to be “micromanagement” of cortisol and other endogenous substances – tiny changes within the normal range-- which are somehow miraculously more effective than the body’s own chosen serum levels within the same normal range. This is crucial: any significant change in such major hormones would have significant undesirable effects in the general public.

I always warn people that “any medication that has an effect, herbal or not, can and probably will have side effects”. God didn’t create cures for various diseases then hide them in the rainforest for millenia, nor do plants have any evolutionary drive to evolve cures for our diseases: it’s all accidental chemistry.

This page is a fairly comprehensive outline of questionable practices in Dr. Cynaumon career over the past 15 years. It has a somewhat outraged and hysterical tone, but the facts I tried to verify all checked out.

Highlights:[ul]
[li] “Dr.” Cynaumon apparently got his doctorate from a diploma mill[/li][li] He has publicly called himself a “certified marriage and family therapist,” “licensed school psychologist” and other controlled professional titles, in books, TV interviews, and other public forums, despite not being licensed or registered as any form of counselor or therapist in California where he lived during the period in question. This is illegal, but I’m not sure how he could be prosecuted if the statements were only made outside California, and he did not actually seek to practice these specialties. (merely having a degree in psychology -even if it is legitimate- would not entitle him to use these titles. We all know people with degrees in psychology who couldn’t figure out what motivates a dog to eat dinner.[/li][li] He marketed a highly questionable, but highly popular/profitable, “educational phonetics game” in the 1990s, using a radio/TV media blitz much like Cortislim[/li][li] The game (the original source of the outrage on the webpage, written by an educational specialist) claimed backing by studies which are false/unverifiable[/li][li] At least one of Cynaumon’s books (u]Discover Your Child’s DQ Facto is supposedly based on “family observations” which appear to have been fabricated. Another site listed another Cynaumon book whose quoted patient interviews seemed to be "‘literary inventions’, but I’ve lost that link.[/li][li] Dr. Cynaumon’s website and books make claims about his past career [e.g. nationally syndicated TV host] that appear to be false.[/li][li] In the past year, he headed an employment agency that was successfully sued for fraud[/li][/ul]
I haven’t fully read either Dr. Greg’s website or the “debunking” web page linked above in many months. Both sites are in flux, and I am working from my personal recollection, which is fallible. However, when I did check them, the charges made by the webpage seemed to be correct, to the extent that I could check. I make no personal claims of regarding Greg Cynaumon, I’m merely reporting what I have read, and giving a pointer to one detailed source. I suggest you check the current facts yourself and formulate your own opinion.

I do note that Dr. Cynaumon’s past claims in various media outlets, press releases, and his website contradict each other, and have been changed over time. These older statements are still scattered on outside sites across the web. I find it difficult to reconcile these contradictions with a single underlying truth.

I was fascinated by the way the pitch used to sell Cortislim. “Stop weighing yourself and pay attention only to how you look in the mirror and how your clothes fit.” The spokesman says something about “meaningless weight loss” but later tells you how the product helps you lose weight. So which is it? Is the weight loss unimportant or not?

Also, I’m fairly sure that they mention a “sensible” diet and exercise program that accompanies the pills. I suspect if you followed the diet and exercise program and threw away the pills, you’d do as well.

An earlier post on this subject: Anti-cortisol diet pills: anything to it?