Could you love a (former) professional killer?

If you don’t like these hypos, I’m mystified as to why you’re still reading.

So here’s the sitch. One day you inadvertently discover a crime committed by a local drug gang, whose leader decides to ensure your silence by chopping your head off. Luckily, you get rescued by Chris, who is (a) a hot person of the correct gender and sexual orientation for you, and (b) an unparalleled bad ass. Chris can do all that action-movie stuff like beating up four bad guys at once, shooting a gun out of a man’s hand without injuring him, deducing a stranger’s life history with a glance, and so on. In the adventure that follows the initial rescue, Chris not only only shuts down the gang but does so without killing or crippling anybody.

Chris finds you as attractive as you find him or her, and as you’re single in this hypothetical, y’all start dating. For the first few months, thing go swimmingly; Chris is witty, funny, and gentle in addition to being tough, skilled, and sexy. The only thing that gives you pause is that Chris won’t sleep in the same bed with you. Oh, that’s not to say there’s no nights spent together. But when that happens, Chris always stays awake till you fall asleep, then relocates to the nearest sofa or easy chair.

One day, several months into the relationship, something unusual happens. You and Chris are having dinner at an Ethiopian restaurant when you notice one of the waitresses–a African immigrant girl in her late teens–staring at him. The way she trembles at the sight of Chris makes it clear that she’s absolutely terrified–and yet it is Chris, not the waitress, who cannot maintain eye contact. The two of you leave shortly thereafter, and on the ride home you ask Chris what the waitress’s deal was. Chris hesitates a long time, and then says:

*Okay. I’ve got … skills … most people don’t. You know that. But what you don’t know is that I haven’t always been on the side of the angels. After I left the army, I spent a lot of time in parts of the world where there’s no law–places where somebody with my skills can make a lot of money. Please don’t ask me for details, because if I give you details, neither one of us will be sleeping for a long while. For a long time I told myself it was okay because I had these bright lines I never crossed: I only took contracts on people who were genuine bad guys, and I never killed children. But then I took a job to eliminate a wanna-be warlord in Somalia. Things went south. I had to kill out his wife too, and his sons, and–well, everybody but his 10-year-old daughter. The waitress we just saw. She saw the whole thing happen. I knew what she saw was gonna fuck up her head, maybe forever, and that all my talk about bright lines was bullshit. So I quit the mercenary business, and came home, and started over. I swore that I’d never kill anybody again, and I haven’t. But I know I’ll never get clean of all the things I did. I still have nightmares about them. That’s why I won’t sleep in the same bed as you. Sometimes I talk in my sleep, and I didn’t want you to find about about my past that way. I’m so ashamed of that part of my life.
*

Overcome with tears, Chris stops there.

And now to the thread question. Does this revelation about Chris’s past make it impossible for you to maintain the romantic relationship?

**Does this revelation about Chris’s past make it impossible for you to maintain the romantic relationship? **

Two words: Absolutely not.

If the situation were different – complete lack of remorse, a genuine likelihood that he would start killing again – my answer would be different. But under the circumstances advanced, no, the revelation changes nothing. (Do you really think I’m so lovestruck and naive that I didn’t already consider that he might of killed someone? C’mon, Skald, you’re losing your touch. :smiley: )

We’re done, Chris(tina) and I. Remorse is well and good, but I don’t trust myself or anyone else to make those sorts of decisions, as to who is or is not a bad guy, without some sort of oversight. Nor do I trust anyone to decide, without any oversight, that killing outside of a genuine emergency environment is the only solution to the bad-guy problem. And I can’t trust anyone who does trust him or herself to make that kinds of decisions in that sort of way. And Chris still clearly does have that kind of trust - she’s wracked by guilt over the last job, not by all the others, which she (presumably) thinks she pulled off properly. And if she truly felt guilt, she could work with human rights groups to establish (for example) who had been hiring hit men, maybe even bring them to justice.

I won’t rat Chris out. Partly from sentiment, partly because I owe her, partly from fear. (If she was capable of doing awful things once, who’s to say she might not again?) But damned if I’ll bang part of the problem.

I think you’re wrong there. Certainly I meant to write the OP so that Chris realized that “she” was a bad guy during the time spent as a merc. (Perhaps I failed at that.) That is what “I realized all my talk about bright lines was bullshit” means, at least to me. Seeing herself in the eyes of the little girl whose family she had massacred forced Chris to realize what she was: a mass murderer. And the fact that Chris refuses to kill any more indicates to me that she doesn’t have that level of trust in her own judgment any longer (or, perhaps, that she trusts herself to decide that she’ll never kill again.)

Could you love a (former) professional killer?

No, I could not.

Do you object out of principle, from squeamishness, or for some other reason?

I walk. Instantly. Out of fear more than anything else. Think what she could do to me in the middle of a domestic dispute. Or, more likely, what could happen to me when her enemies come looking for her. Doesn’t anybody watch movies? The lover is always the one who gets chopped.

My ex was a soldier, but our relationship dissolved for reasons completely unrelated to his profession. The only thing I would ask myself was how did Chris treat me? If I had no problem with that, I would stay with him or her. He or she could still be a soldier of fortune for all I care. There are far sleazier and immoral ways to make a living in my opinion.

Principle, I guess you could call it. You know I’m a total pacifist - I can’t be with someone who was so cool with violence at any point in their life that they could do it professionally.

Never mind that they now regret it - they should never have had a chance to regret it in the first place.

And if their regret wasn’t acted on by immediately turning themselves over for justice, it’s not real regret, anyway, IMO.

I think professional kiddie-diddler is the only profession that I can conceive of that could possibly be more sleazy or immoral than killer-for-hire. And that’s not a real occupation outside the Vatican…

The revelation itself doesn’t end the relationship. I’m probably going to suggest therapy, though, and the outcome of their future behavior will be critical.

Part of me still loves the Christian Brothers (Brother Ted was very good to me, in the sense of pointing out what a total jackhole I was being to my son and his mother), and thus I must call bullshit on the implication that the baby-raping is raison d’etre of the Catholic Church.

In a failed state like Somalia? Whom was Chris supposed to turn him/herself in to?

If I knew they had been a killer before getting involved, it would be a dealbreaker. Learning that after I already loved them, well it’s hard to say. If my fiance told me he used to be a killer I wouldn’t believe him. Either way, I don’t think I’d be able stop loving him on that basis alone.

Did I say that? It’s only that for some priests.

And it was a joke, FFS.

Someone in his home jurisdiction? Some world court? Hell, right now he could march back to the restaurant and offer the rest of his life, and all his worldly possessions, working to make the waitress’ life a bit better.

Or he could off himself. I don’t like violence, but I’m just dandy with suicide.

I’d object. It would kill the deal.

It indicates too much moral laxity, too much susceptibility to temptation. Someone put money in front of him to do something immoral…and he took the money.

I can never have enough faith in his moral strength to love the bloke. I wouldn’t even remain his friend. He’s right off the Christmas Card list.

I was on board until Chris got all soft at the end there.

Of course I could love and forgive a killer.

But only if she provided the chocolte syrup, chocolate chips and whipped cream.

AND the maraschino cherries. ESPECIALLY those.

And it has to be GOOD ice cream. No supermarket generic brands.

As you well know, I had my sense of humor surgically removed in 1937 to make room for my seething hatred of both Welshmen AND Etruscans. And elves. And Munchkins. And – well, I hate a lot of things, and I needed more space. I can’t see the color fuchsia anymore either.

Given that Chris’s simple presence resulted in the waitress having a panic attack, I doubt walking into the restaurant is a good idea for her.

Who benefits from Chris offing himself? Also, if Chris had done so immediately after realizing he was no better than the warlord, the hypothetical “you” would have had your head sawed off by the drug lords. I assume you prefer yourself in your current un-head-sawed-off state.

If you went into the business of killing thinking you would only kill people who needed killing and underestimated the effect it would have on you later turning you into a cold blooded ruthless killer and then having a sprititual awakening of some kind, hard to judge. We have a lot of soldiers who walk around tortured everyday by things like this.

Yeah, I could.