Cowboys-vs-Packers

[DSYoungEsq]

@TripleTee

Brett Favre is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. He throws tons of interceptions, and for some reason everyone gives him a pass on his bad decisions.

Well, not really. Some years, yes. This year, not so much. Here are his statistics for his career.

Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT 
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------
| 1991 atl |   2 |     0     4   0.0     0   0.0   0   2 
| 1992 gnb |  15 |   302   471  64.1  3227   6.9  18  13 
| 1993 gnb |  16 |   318   522  60.9  3303   6.3  19  24 
| 1994 gnb |  16 |   363   582  62.4  3882   6.7  33  14 
| 1995 gnb |  16 |   359   570  63.0  4413   7.7  38  13 
| 1996 gnb |  16 |   325   543  59.9  3899   7.2  39  13 
| 1997 gnb |  16 |   304   513  59.3  3867   7.5  35  16 
| 1998 gnb |  16 |   347   551  63.0  4212   7.6  31  23 
| 1999 gnb |  16 |   341   595  57.3  4091   6.9  22  23 
| 2000 gnb |  16 |   338   580  58.3  3812   6.6  20  16 
| 2001 gnb |  16 |   314   510  61.6  3921   7.7  32  15 
| 2002 gnb |  16 |   341   551  61.9  3658   6.6  27  16 
| 2003 gnb |  16 |   308   471  65.4  3361   7.1  32  21 
| 2004 gnb |  16 |   346   540  64.1  4088   7.6  30  17 
| 2005 gnb |  16 |   372   607  61.3  3881   6.4  20  29 
| 2006 gnb |  16 |   343   613  56.0  3885   6.3  18  18 
| 2007 gnb |  11 |   291   425  68.5  3356   7.9  22   8 
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------
|  TOTAL   | 252 |  5312  8648  61.4 60856   7.0 436 281 

As you can see, in the Super Bowl era, Favre was much less likely to toss up a lot of interceptions (the TD to Int. ratio hangs around 3). After that, he gets quite inconsitent (I always felt that when Holmgren left, none of the other coaches had the presence to sit on Favre and make him behave when it comes to choosing when and where to pass). He’s never again been better than 2 to 1, and sometimes is as bad as even up.

Except that, this year, going into last night’s game, he was back up around 3 to 1. And, not surprisingly, the Pack is doing quite well this year. We ARE talking about the same quarterback who just a week ago threw 20 straight completions in a game in which he had no Int.s.

When in the game did Favre sustain the separated shoulder? It is quite possible if it was early on that he attempted to play through it when he shouldn’t have; THAT is a very Favre-like behavior and has cost the Packers before. :eek:

[kidchameleon]

@DSYoungEsq

When in the game did Favre sustain the separated shoulder? It is quite possible if it was early on that he attempted to play through it when he shouldn’t have; THAT is a very Favre-like behavior and has cost the Packers before. :eek:

Both his injuries were sustained on the same play. Nate Jones drove him pretty hard into the turf.

[kidchameleon]

@SenorBeef

Wow that Cowboys crowd is savvy… they’re at their loudest when the Cowboys offense has a 3rd and 18.

Jason Witten says it was the Packer Fans.

[wolfman]

I bet Deion could do better play by play.

Oh yeah, that would be great.

“The line of scrimmage is the place where I intercepted a Steve Young pass on nov 2 1990. I was wearing a size 12 white shoe that day, and had my Armani in my Locker. The QB throws the ball… to exactly where I would be standing if I were the CB, I would have intercepted it… Now i’d be on the 30… I’d be dancing my way to the ten, and I’d be scoring a touchdown now… Now I would be dancing, the crowd would be wildly screaming my name and bowing before me”

[SenorBeef]

Then the Cowboys fans just flat out suck. A 10-1 team battling another 10-1 team and you ebay your tickets to the opponent’s fans?

[jsc1953]

@Monstre

I was watching at a sports bar that was showing it. Some GB fan behind me was yammering something like, “If Favre were still in the game, things would be different.”

I commented, “Actually, the backup QB was doing quite well for them – better than Favre did early.” Dude and a girl next to him were shaking their heads and looking at me like I’d grown another head.

But… with:
Rodgers 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TD
Favre 5/14 for 56 yards and 2 INTs.

Well, I guess it’s just Cheesehead Logic.

Cowboys defense was owning Favre in the first 20 minutes of the game.

As an Aaron Rodgers fan (ie, a Cal fan) this was the day we’ve been waiting 2 years for. Poor AR…this is the fan base he has to deal with? Holy crap. If he does get a long-term shot at the job, and he ever throws an incompletion (god forbid an interception), the cheeseheads will be exhuming the moldy corpse of Favre and putting it in the game.

[flickster]

Long time Packer Fan and watched from a nice little sports bar out in NW Houston (along with about a 50/50 split Cowboys/Packer fan crowd).

Favre had yet another bad game at Texas Stadium. Why did Favre / coaching staff abandon the short passing game that has been successful for them all season? Penalties also killed the Packers, especially the last pass interference call (In my opinion a bogus call - but that’s based on my eyes with the benefit of replay coverage). Despite all that, the Packers were in the game and there could have been a different result had a couple of close plays/calls gone the other way, like the Harris interception in the 1st Q.

Aaron Rogers - best news out of the entire game. I now have a whole new level of confidence that he can and will take over the reins at some point in the future.

[Oslo_Ostragoth]

@SenorBeef

Networks charge the cable company to play their channel - somewhere between $.30 and 3 per month per channel. The NFL network charges a high price for a specialty network, something like .85.

This goes a long way to explaining why the Big Ten Network is not getting any play. They reportedly want $1.30 per subscriber and insist that it be on basic cable. :eek:

[garygnu]

@flickster

…Aaron Rogers - best news out of the entire game. I now have a whole new level of confidence that he can and will take over the reins at some point in the future.

Grumble grumble…
Stupid Mike Nolan.
Grrrrr.

[TripleTee]

@DSYoungEsq

Well, not really. Some years, yes. This year, not so much. Here are his statistics for his career.

It isn’t THAT he has thrown a lot of interceptions; it’s WHEN he has thrown a lot of interceptions. He loses as many games for the Packers as he wins. That alone is the reason I do not consider him great, and consider him overrated. The truly great quarterbacks may have lost a few games for their teams in the course of their careers, but they did not lose as many as they won. Yesterday was a perfect example. He put them in a huge hole, from which they could not recover. They ALMOST did, though, but that is a tribute to Rodgers.

[EllisDee]

@Oslo Ostragoth

This goes a long way to explaining why the Big Ten Network is not getting any play. They reportedly want $1.30 per subscriber and insist that it be on basic cable. :eek:

This would appear to be a misrepresentation. From what I can tell, at this point “Big Cable” is just being a vindicative bitch toward any sports channel it isn’t given a stake in.

Per-subscriber channel fees for basic cable based on this cite:

$3.26 ESPN
$0.91 TNT
$0.83 Disney
$0.70 NFL Network
$0.51 USA
$0.46 CNN
$0.44 TBS
$0.36 FX

Considering that Thursday’s game would have guaranteed been the highest rated cable broadcast ever, I don’t see how 70 cents is unreasonable in any way, shape or form. The Colts-Pats game earlier this season – that battle of undefeateds – drew over 33 million viewers. If the NFL Network were as ubiquitous as ESPN, this game almost certainly have brought in high 20s, shattering the current record of 17.2 million.

Here’s a nice and short overview of the situation.

[Oslo_Ostragoth]

@Ellis Dee

This would appear to be a misrepresentation. From what I can tell, at this point “Big Cable” is just being a vindicative bitch toward any sports channel it isn’t given a stake in.

If those facts are correct, somebody is playing fast and loose with them.

Per-subscriber channel fees for basic cable based on this cite:

$3.26 ESPN
$0.91 TNT
$0.83 Disney
$0.70 NFL Network
$0.51 USA
$0.46 CNN
$0.44 TBS
$0.36 FX

Holy crap! ESPN gets that much?!?!?

Considering that Thursday’s game would have guaranteed been the highest rated cable broadcast ever, I don’t see how 70 cents is unreasonable in any way, shape or form. The Colts-Pats game earlier this season – that battle of undefeateds – drew over 33 million viewers. If the NFL Network were as ubiquitous as ESPN, this game almost certainly have brought in high 20s, shattering the current record of 17.2 million.

Here’s a nice and short overview of the situation.