Little_Nemo:
There’s also the issue of the Americas.
Assuming you accept the idea that people need to receive Jesus’ message in order to be saved from Original Sin, then you have to face the fact that God didn’t get the message out to everyone at the same time. People in the Eastern Mediterranean region heard it in the first century. People in the America had to wait almost fifteen centuries before somebody delivered the “good news” to them.
Well, not according to the Book of Mormon.
Malacandra:
Why then - as in Locrian ’s pie-in-the-sky, aliens-land, now-who’s-the-idiot scenario - we all get to point and laugh at Ken Ham. But don’t hold your breath until then.
As to the aliens being damned. 1 Cor 15:22 .
We can point and laugh even if the ETs are algae attached to a meteor, IMO.
Biotop
July 22, 2014, 11:35pm
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Probably against gray marriage too.
You can’t blame him for being concerned, considering that he is such an asshole.
For the win.
Knowed_Out:
He laughs at the idea that the nasty atheists think he said that aliens are going to hell. He said he doesn’t believe in aliens in the first place, because “the gospel makes it clear that salvation through Christ is only for the Adamic race—human beings who are all descendants of Adam.” Why would he mention aliens in that context at all then? If they don’t exist, then he doesn’t need to address their potential salvation, but for some reason he does. “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.”
What about critters then? Dogs and cats certainly exist.
So is he saying that when Fluffy and Rover cross the Rainbow Bridge, what they’re going to find on the other side is HELL
THAT’S gonna go over well over in the Sunday School classrooms…
Biotop
July 23, 2014, 1:42am
68
“In my father’s house are many Martians. If it were not so I would have told you.”
John 14:2
KJV (Re-revised)
Mijin
July 23, 2014, 3:28am
69
Yes. You’ll note there are a few catch-all stock answers to any problem that they don’t have a specific retort to: that all “secular” knowledge is relative anyway, that it’s a matter of how you interpret the data, our minds are fallible, only god knows the truth etc.
As for how it must feel to be Ken…well, I guess it’s a nice feeling believing you have a clear mission, to spread an important message.really , then the whole “god-fearing” thing would have to be literal, because a whole lot of what god has done makes no sense, and resulted in human suffering.
Locrian:
Think of it this way: Aliens arrive on our planet, they’re sentient, they even speak English, Spanish, Russian, Italian, Farsi, etc. And here comes this Creo-tard with the story of how the creator of the (then) teeny solar system where the sun revolves around us, our planet is 4,000 years old, children had Pterodactlys as pets, etc.
Even though the aliens are fluent in many languages, and might even be as dumb as a Spuds Mackenzie commercial, these extra terrestrials-- and I’m guessing most humans at the time-- would look at Ken Hamm like he’s giving free phrenology lessons. Like he’s approaching people who just found out they won the lottery with time-sharing pamphlets in Haiti. He continually changes his story to it the god gaps like you would have to to prove Snuffalupagus is real. Hey, I wanted that to happen years ago. But as much as you wish… Ugh.
Ah, I see you’re dialling back the expectations a bit. Probably wise… although if you were searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, a smear of algae on a meteor isn’t going to cut it (although I personally would pull up a lawn-chair and watch you argue with it).
“You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation,” he explained. “Jesus did not become the ‘GodKlingon’ or the ‘GodMartian’! Only descendants of Adam can be saved. God’s Son remains the ‘Godman’ as our Savior.”
Wait a minute! Who are aliens descended from? Did God create another “adam and eve”?
Interpret it as a sign of the Apocalypse and get ready to float to Heaven.
Sherrerd:
…which actually is even more hilarious. (What a rotten piece of Catch-22 luck for the poor aliens!..the sin of some far-off alien has damned them, but because they’re not that alien’s blood kin, they are unable to receive the benefit that should come from belief in the divinity of another far-off alien!!!)
But that’s just not pithy enough for a good t-shirt.
Seems like what we need to do is breed with the aliens, so that they become part of our bloodline. What he’s really advocating is bestiality.
God? Are you not paying attention? We were created by god, only us . Aliens were obviously created by the prince of darkness bringer of light.
That Satan is deceiving them, of course.
“We killed our gods long ago. They were more trouble than they were worth” - Commander Worf
You’ll need a Rapture Roof
The guy has a Bachelor of Applied Science, with an emphasis in Environmental Biology, at Queensland Institute of Technology. One day he gets religion, opens a ministry and starts raising money. Fairly easy to see through this scammer. You never see any of these pricks take a vow of poverty.
G0sp3l
July 23, 2014, 11:24pm
79
Please, to be leaving me out of this. I don’t even like leaving SoCal, let alone Earth!
kaylasdad99:
What about critters then? Dogs and cats certainly exist.
So is he saying that when Fluffy and Rover cross the Rainbow Bridge, what they’re going to find on the other side is HELL
THAT’S gonna go over well over in the Sunday School classrooms…
A surprising number of fundamentalist Christians hold this view – the only creatures worth saving, in a physical or spiritual sense, are humans (Christian humans, of course).
Wonder what they would think of “The Hunt” – the Twilight Zone episode where a man is saved from eternal damnation by his dog.
