Crusader Kings II - succession game - Sword of Islam

So, we’re starting a new succession game for Crusader Kings II while the first game (King of Aragon) is in progress. This time we will be playing a Muslim ruler.

As a reminder, each player in turn will be in control of the ruler. Upon his/her death, the next player will be in charge for the duration of his successor’s reign.

Have voluntereed so far :

Terminus Est
Clairobscur
Johnny Bravo
Least Original Use Name ever

I ordered the players so as to minimize the risk that they would be in charge at the same time in both succession games. Subject to change if it nevertheless happens.
A couple more players are welcome. Don’t be shy even if you aren’t an experienced player.
We need to decide on two things :

-What DLCs to use? Swords of Islam is obviously required, and I would propose not to use The Old Gods (some players might not have it) and The Republic (same reason, plus no need to), Sunset Invasions (reason obvious I guess). I don’t know about Legacy of Rome (do muslim players have retinues? How much the DLC wrt Byzance will impact a muslim player?).

-Where to start? Personnally, I’ve never played a muslim ruler (I didn’t have any DLC until a week ago) so I’ve no preconceived opinion, although I’d have a preference for a region I’m not familiar with, like the Middle East. Since we’re playing a small kingdom in the Spanish game, I would propose a small Emirate (equivalent to a christian duchy) or something similar this time. Proposals welcome. Including from people who don’t intend to participate in the game, they might know about interesting starting places.

Some notes re: DLC

It is largely irrelevant which DLC you play with. Sword of Islam allows you to play a Muslim ruler, but the base code and rulesets apply as long as you have an updated game. Legacy of Rome is not needed; all changes from it and Old Gods are included except some specific options. Aztec Invasion is the only truly “unique” DLC.

The biggest change introduced by DLC that’s unavailable without it is retinues. If you want to have retinues, then you must have Legacy of Rome enabled. That’s pretty much it.

I’ve played around a little bit with Muslims, but haven’t gotten around to playing a serious full game. I don’t know where would be a good place to start, though I’m partial to playing in the Iberian peninsula, as a mirror to the Aragon game.

I’m okay with starting in Spain/that area. I like the idea of mirroring the other game. I’ve got all the DLC except for The Old Gods, so it doesn’t sound like it’d be an issue to me.

I had noticed playing acidentally with the DLCs on during the other co-op game that I could save the game and reload with all DLCs off without a problem. I’ m affraid though, that this might create some major crash if someone did something he’s only allowed to do thanks to a DLC and the next player doesn’t have said DLC.

And indeed I also noticed that the non-players do use the changes (The Tengri became an organized religion and launched a holy war in the other game).
OK, so if **Johnny Bravo **has it too (please confirm), we’ll play with the “Legacy of Rome” DLC on. Stll don’t know if muslims have retinues.

Then I will bow to the majority’s will and we’ll start in Spain. Since **Terminus Est ** is the first player and supporting the “mirror game” concept, let him choose where to start exactly.

I have everything but the Old Gods, so do whatcha like.

I’ll start up the game soon. I’ll go ahead and throw in everything but The Old Gods. I’m thinking of somewhere in the Grenada area, as a sort of reverse Reconquista (a Conquista?).

So the Emir of Granada is 60 years old. His son is dead and his heir is his grandson, who is about 12 years old. On my test run I played for about an hour and two game years before being sent to paradise and leaving my successor with a potential succession crisis.

All of the Emirs in Spain are pretty old. (Except for Cordoba, but he’s unplayable due to being a republic.) I think we need to rethink our starting position.

First person gets two terms. After that, its one unless you get some weird happening?

What the heck, I’ll just go ahead and write up what’s happened in my short reign.

I am Badis ibn Hubus ibn Maksan ibn Ziri, of the House of Zirid, Emir of Granada, Sheikh of Granada and Malaga. My father came unto this emirate when his uncle, my grandfather’s brother, died without issue. After he passed on the realm to me, I have tried to be a good steward to the land and its people, as Allah commands us to be.

I am getting to the end of my years and had been preparing my son Buluggin to rule when I finally pass on. When he died suddenly last year, I was bereft. The doctors say that his death was “of natural causes”, but I have my suspicions. Now my grandson Tamim shall inherit the emirate, and he is far too young to be saddled with such responsibility.

After much soul-searching, I have determined that my recent misfortunes are a sign from Allah that I must walk the pious path. I have therefore resolved to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, as the prophet commands us to do at least once in our life. I should have gone sooner but the obligations of running the emirate have always gotten in the way. Now it may be too late. Insha’Allah.

The journey will be long and frought with danger. I have appointed my Steward, Mayor Anaba of Guadix to act in my stead. I have also asked my Grand Vizier Az’ar to talk to the Sheikh of Almería, who has sworn fealty to the Hudid Emirate when by rights he should be my vassal.

1067
The hajj was indeed as arduous as predicted. We had to fight off pirates; the infidels gave me this new scar you see here. There were bandits on the road. I noticed bad water in a well that I warned my fellow pilgrims about. But I also met an old man who, in return for some bread, told me this hadith: “If people see an unjust person, and do not restrain him, Allah is very likely to seize them with retribution from Him.” And so Allah command us to justice and doing good.

At the Kabah itself, I and my fellow pilgrims did perform the Tawah. Seven circuits around the black stone shouting, “Allah is great! Praise be to Allah!” And we did perform the Eid al-Adha, as Ibrahim did sacrifice a lamb in place of his son Ishmael.

I have returned a changed man, truly humbled before Allah.

My grandson needs a mother, so I have determined to marry once again. After a long search, I found Najiba. While a humble woman, she has a deceitful streak that should serve to guide little Tamim through the intricacies of court life.

Towards the end of the year, my spymaster informs me that an attempt was made on the life of Abdallah, my other grandson, and that this attempt was authorized by none other than Emir an-Nasir of the Hammadid Emirate. By the prophet’s beard! What trespass could this innocent child have done against him? I authorize retribution, but the assassins fail to slay an-Nasir. Fortunately, my own involvement remains unknown.

1068
There is chaos in the land. The Emir of Mallorca has died and the Amirid Emirite has been replaced by the Shaheen Emirite. The Sheikh of Almansa has decided that he does not wish to be a part of the Shaheen. Perhaps he would rather be a part of my realm instead? I gather my troops to convince him of this.

While besieging the stronghold at Almansa, I receive word that the infidel in Barcelona has once again attacked the Hudid Emirate. As well, the infidel in Aragon has attacked the Dhunnunid Emirate. I need to find some way to turn this to my advantage.

Allah is great! I have a daughter! We name her Najiba, after her mother. There is still something left in these old bones.

1069
The conquest of Almansa continues apace. The stronghold has fallen and we are just mopping up in the city of Albacete. Soon the entire sheikhdom will -

By the grace of Allah, Emir Badis ibn Hubus of Granada has passed into paradise after a long and fruitful reign. His grandson Tamim ibn Buluggin now rules the emirate, under the regency of steward Anaba. Insh’Allah!

Almansa surrendered just as my ruler died. I forget whether I got the surrender message just before or just after I got the notice of death. Regardless, the sheikhdom is now a part of the Emirate of Granada.

Clairobscur, I’m ready to pass on the save file to you. Send me PM as to how you would like to get it.

You only lived three years? I say take another turn.

^ This

I don’t mind, but in this other thread, we had agreed to play one life each, regardless how long or how short. If we do things differently here, we should agree on some rule.

I’m actually comfortable with how things turned out. If you get a long reign, that’s good; if you get a short reign, then that’s just how it works.

I’ve sent the savefile to clairobscur. My successor is a 14 year old boy. He could live a long life or he could get murdered by a rival. (And we know that there are definitely assassins about.)

I’ll post pictures shortly.

Pictures from my reign here: http://imgur.com/a/ZcCZk#0

I don’t have time for a report, but was about to write that in 1084 I had turned the tide and began to improve on the situation I was left with, when another question entirely popped up :
What if we lose? :eek: I get a claim war for the emirate, the ennemy has about 10 000 men against my 2000 or so, and many more counties. I’m part of a sultanate, but it doesn’t provide help, and my ally outside the sultanate can’t help either. Barring a miracle, I’m toast. And I checked, if I surrender, I lose everything.

Maybe I’ll find a way out (dubious, I don’t even have enough money for an assassination), but what if I don’t? When I tested surrendering, I noticed that I could keep playing as the winner, but that’s not exactly satisfying.

So, what do we do in the very possible case where I lose?

The war just started, the ennemy is gathering forces in North Africa. We have distant relatives member of the same house, but I can’t see a way to pass the torch to them.

Any creative ideas welcome…

Ah, my grandson. I really should have paid more attention to your education. But my fool of a son had to go and die four years before I died myself.

I was really wary of going up against the big boys as, yes, they will come and kick your ass. Are you sure that you continue playing as the winner if you lose? Depending on the exact nature of the casus belli, the winner may allow you continue serving under them as their vassal, without your emir title of course. In which case you can work to subvert them from within.

Yes, I’m sure I would continue as the winner. When I saw how many armies it was gathering, I surrendered to understand exactly what was the conflict about and what would happen. The winner gains my territories within the de jure duchy, two counties outside it become independent, and I get to play the winner (which is weird, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some “you lost” screen in past games).

The casus belli is a rightful dynastic claim. He’s a remote cousin, but from another dynasty. He’s claiming Grenada, which seems to mean the county and the duchy and the other de jure county. Probably a “press all claims” thing. I don’t really get why I can’t keep playing with the two remaining counties, though.

Boy, playing a muslim is harsh. That’s the fourth big guy attacking me when I’m otherwise involved in a conflict with a minor power. I survived the three others by giving away what they wanted, but this one wants everything. Or maybe it’s the settings? Did you pick difficult or agressive, or something? I believed that being part of a sultanate (another thing I had to accept) would protect me, like the HRE does, but no. The sultanate laws are "high authority, but for some reason, I can nevertheless be attacked by an outsider without him attacking my sultan too. And on the other hand, my ally outside the sultanate cannnot support me. All the inconveniences and none of the advantages of being part of an empire.

I’ll try to figure a way out, but we should decide what to do in such a situation. Start a new game? Having the next player try again with the save you sent me?

Another info : infact, he’s a vassam of the Sultan too. So, I don’t get how he could declare war on me, since I con’t declare war on other vassals (and I checked, the law didn’t change, I still can’t wage declare war on a vassa myself)

Still searching for an “out” of this mess. I could resist as long as I can hoping for a muracle (it might take a while before he takes enough fortress to win. Several years, maybe, if I avoid any direct fights. Less so if he has enough troops in reserve to assault the fortresses). Maybe long enough for alliances to kick in? (all the daughters/sons are about 11-13 years given the game startdate) I’m bethroded to a 13 yo, the father happen to be a neighbour of my attacker, but he isn’t nearly powerful enough to make a difference, even if he accepts to join my war, he’s allowed to fight inthe war, etc…

I’m trying to think about handing out territories too…But I can’t see how it could solve the issue.