I’m talking about the national dialog…what people hear through news, entertainment and media circles and from people they know. You’re talking about what one guy said. I’ve noticed this happens a lot around here. Conservatives critique behavior engaged in by liberals in the main while liberals attempt to counter with comments made by this or that Republican politician. No equivalency whatsoever.
Your post is your cite. Gotcha.
I’ll say it. CHIP got funded for six years and the Republican party got nothing for it but a 3-week extension. McConnell had to openly promise something he or Ryan can’t/won’t deliver, and we go from there.
Yeah, yeah. And liberals are conservatives who haven’t been mugged yet, and if you’re young and conservative, you have no heart; if you’re old and liberal, you have no brain. Etc. I don’t put much stock in pithy encapsulations like that. Reminds me a bit of the neighbor in Frost’s “Mending Wall”: “He will not go behind his father’s saying/And he likes having thought of it so well/He says again, ‘Good fences make good neighbors.'”
Anyhow, once again, I do believe that being seen through your lens as a conservative, especially one on a left-leaning board. I suspect you also live in a left-leaning area. I do not for a second believe that there aren’t many conservatives who believe liberals are bad people. We’re baby killers. We want to destroy the fabric of society. We’re un-American. We’re traitors. Look at the rhetoric of some of the more extreme conservatives on this board for evidence–it goes beyond simply thinking we have “bad ideas.” Or simply go to a right-wing message board, and see the discussions there.
Me? I actually don’t think most conservatives are bad people. Like I said, I used to be one, and I don’t really feel I’m that much different in my moral compass now than I was then. (But I wasn’t as much a social conservative as a fiscal one, though I did participate a bit in the culture war stuff of PC and feminism back in the early 90s. What’s going on now mirrors almost exactly what I remember back then.)
The fact that Gingrich was discredited, censured, barely one step away from jail, and obviously unfit, and STILL is allowed back in power,
is a God damned disgrace.
I like the lava one the best.
His posts are our cite too, given that he’s spent years insulting liberals.
I’ll also point out that the phrase “conservatives think liberals have bad ideas while liberals think conservatives are bad people” is self-defeating, as it contains within it the implication that liberals a bad people.
“We could sit here all day pointing out this or that Scotsman, but what I really want is to make one-sided generalizations.”
Part of my political evolution was realizing the social conservative/fiscal conservative divide is, in a deep sense, a false dichotomy, because economics is too fundamental to human existence to separate the fiscal from the social. If you want social progress, or to, at least, avoid social regress, you have to structure your economic system to, at the very least, allow people of all social classes to make progress without being kept down multi-generationally because one generation had a primary wage-earner get cancer and the family got poor forever after.
(That, and the Republican notion of “fiscal responsibility” is only “responsible” if you conflate sovereign debt with household debt and determinedly ignore all of the progress the entire field of economics has made since Keynes.)
There was never any valid reason to hold CHIP hostage to begin with.
Well, it looks like Trump fucked up and lost any Democrat willingness to entertain funding his wall. Ya know, the wall Mexico was gonna pay for?
Schumer is taking his big spending boost for Donald Trump’s border wall off the table - retracting the offer he made last week to give Trump well north of the $1.6 billion in wall funding Trump had asked for this year.
Dick Durbin says "He called the White House yesterday and said it’s over.”
This after Trump rejected a bipartisan proposal that included DACA protections and a increased border security on Wednesday last week. Had he accepted the deal, Congress likely would have been able to avoid a government shutdown on Friday.
The “Great Negotiator” unmasked for the stupid incompetent irrelevant fake he really is. He can’t even “negotiate” a deal that was assembled for him and that he’s already “won” without flushing it down the shitter.
Now he is claiming credit for a “deal” the grownups locked him out of.
Because he is truly a worthless useless fuck up.
trumps wall is going to end up being a 1.35 mile long strip mall in the desert. Water will be available, at a price.
Not just any water: Trump Water, the best, most delicious bottled water you’ve ever tasted, infused with electrolytes, metabolites, and uric acid imported from Eastern Europe for greater health and perfidy.
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That “one guy” has made his living for the last two decades teaching the conservative movement what to say and how to characterize their opponents to produce maximum political effect. This is like saying, “Goebbels was just a PR guy.”
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This is just lying. We’ve covered the differences, and I can list them here.
- This was not about ACA.
- This was not about healthcare.
- This was not about a law that had passed and trying to repeal it.
- The minority party was willing to compromise.
- The majority party was willing to compromise.
- The President goddamned fucking lied.
- The President reneged on a deal.
- The shutdown was the President’s fault because he lied and reneged.
I could go on. The only thing it has in common is that the losing party still didn’t get what he wanted. There is no wall. Sure, DACA didn’t get funded, either, but DACA was never something the President was actually against. And they lost the leverage of holding CHIP hostage. Republicans lost ground they could have had if Trump hadn’t blown the original compromise up!
Well, that and people trying to spin it to being the fault of people who it is not, despite the public clearly thinking otherwise. But, hey, if you can’t actually do the right thing (because morality is not what motivates you), then all you can do is spin and lie.
And the funny thing is, all you had to do was tell the truth. Blame Trump. He blew up the compromise bill, and made you wind up losing. Normal Republicans looked fine in this.
That is, until you started trying to spin it as being the same as in 2013. Spinning to defend Trump is not a good look.
It’s what plants crave!
”I’m pretty sure what’s killing the crops is this ’Trump Water’ stuff.”
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I don’t think he wants things settled. He doesn’t want all the kids on the playground to play together and get along. He wants them at each other’s throats 1) because it makes him feel like a powerful bully, 2) it entertains him, and 3) while they’re all fighting, he can steal their lunches, milk money, and homework.
He has said that he thrives on chaos and conflict. This is what we see every day and yet we try to call it, I dunno, *strategy *or something. He doesn’t know from strategy; for one thing, it’s a three-syllable word.
It KILLS me the way some of us and also pundits and commentators continue to talk about him as if he’s normal. They/we talk about his policies, and his plans, and what he wants, and his goals, blahblahblah. He doesn’t have any of those. He doesn’t even know what they are. He has the attention span of a goldfish (apologies to goldfish) and shoots from the hip every damn time. There is no premeditation and no planning. That is abundantly clear by now, isn’t it??
Wow, what a victory! I can’t believe they convinced Republicans to put CHIP funding into the bill, especially after all those Republicans had said they were so steadfastly against funding CHIP and adamantly refused to put it in the CR.
Wait, wait…no, I’m sorry. My mistake. It was already in the bill to begin with and was never on the negotiating table in any way. Silly me.
But that stupid bullshit goes back to my original point. All these Republican talking heads on TV saying how Democrats should vote for it because it has CHIP funding that “they wanted.” So the implication, then, is that Republicans are against it? Just once I wanted an anchor to say “If that’s a fig leaf to the Democrats, does that mean Republicans are against CHIP?” and watch them squirm.
What the fuck are you talking about, you stupid sack of shit? Did you even read anything I wrote?