That’s what this;
“the rest of us will take responsibility so you don’t have to.
No problem.”
is all about. Food stamps, etc.
Forgot something;
Ok, nazi skinhead, the rest of us will take responsibility so you don’t have to.
No problem.
Sorry, I keep getting baited outside the OP.
I do know that cuckolded men are the least of society’s problems.
Cry me a fuckin’ river, huh? 
This viewpoint shocks me. Adultery is bad enough, but tricking someone into spending their life raising another man’s children is a pretty evil thing to do. I would like to see mandatory DNA testing of all fathers/children. No father should have to pay child support for a child that isn’t their own. Furthermore, if they have already paid out money in support and subsequently find out the child isn’t theirs they should be able to claim it all back.
Hmmmm. And my whoredog first husband ran off with my best friend and neighbor, and spent several months raising HER baby (by another man, the whore!) while I took my kids to a foodbank for milk and Cheerios. THEN he demanded paternity testing for our eight-month-old son, insisting all the time that if he were NOT the father, he would still fight for visitation.*
Oh, Hermann, now I see your point. Namecalling really does prove your point. Nice job.
If you don’t trust your wife (and why you would marry someone you can’t trust is a whole 'nother issue) and you live in fear of contributing to the raising of a child that is not biologically related to you, you need to marry someone who will agree to “mandatory” DNA testing of any children born in the marriage. If you find a woman like that, good luck in keeping the old romance alive once she feels that baby kick and you start dropping subtle reminders–“Oh, hon, remember–we have to get the baby tested to make sure it’s mine, okay?”
Whoooboy. That’s a relationship!
*True story. Too bad Springer wasn’t around then, eh?
You marry someone you can’t trust because you don’t know you can’t trust them. Trusting someone does not make them trustworthy. I’m sure you trusted your first husband at one point, and that didn’t stop him betraying you.
Now these figures would suggest that at least 10% of women cannot be trusted (and I’m not suggesting that men are any better). The consequences of betrayal are so severe, and the risk significant enough that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to take some kind of action to avoid it.
I agree with you that most women would hit the roof if the alleged father of their kids suggested a paternity test - whether they had cheated or not. I’m not sure that I understand this attitude, if I was a woman I would be happy to give reassurance to the father of my children if he needed it. But if the DNA testing was mandatory, no agreement would be necessary, it would just be part of the process. Of course as it stands a suspicious husband could still get a test done in secret.
Well, I apologize for that. Thats what I get for posting messages after a 6 pack of MGD.
Its just that I get so angry with my wifes friend. This child is very obviously not her ex husbands, but yet she carries on this charade like everyone is stupid and doesn’t notice that her child looks exactly like the guy she was fooling around with.
And then shes got her poor ex paying child support on the kid, while the real father is totally off the hook.
when she was shown the baby?“Oh shit.”<
Hope that name didn’t stick. Not quite the same ring as O’Henry or O’Conner. Maybe a better name would be “Evidence,” “Divorce,” or “Ihadababyitsabastard.”
I don’t think DNA testing would be necessary until one party files for child support; by then the the ship of trust has long since sailed, and is not an issue.
You guys are saying that every child born should be tested, by law, just to massage the pride of a few men?
If I were a young man and had a new baby with a woman I loved and trusted, the govt. would mandate a paternity test against the wishes of the mother, and mine?
I’d rather raise (pay for is what we’re actually talking about) another man’s child.
I have two grown children, and five grandchildren, and I’m comfortable in my loving relationship with all of them. I certainly don’t need any fascist government dictate to reassure me of my manhood.
There exists another rationale for mandating DNA testing - certifying the individual’s parentage is useful medically, to know what conditions they may have genetic predisposition to. Not to mention actually screening for the existence of genes that indicate predisposition (which opens another can of worms, of course). You COULD view a mandatory DNA test as a matter of public health.
Note that I said “could”. I’m not at all convinced that the benefits outweigh the level of intrusion implied. But it’s an arguable position. And cases of infidelity would be discovered as a side effect, of course.
In the end this is a moot argument. Genetic testing/typing at birth will be mandatory at some point in the not too distant future and the chips will fall where they may.
Given the substantial number of children being born out of wedlock and the prevailing state interest in gathering funds from as many sources as possible to support them, I suspect that everyone coming through the system will be genotyped at some point when the cost to do so falls into the dollars or pennies a test range.
It is not insane, immoral or particularly mean spirited for men to have a signficant invested interest in making sure they are raising their own issue if that is something that is expected in the context of the marriage.
It is, I feel, selfish of one man to expect that every child born be tested for paternity to protect him from the off-chance that he may pay for the raising of a child not genetically his own.
Cases of infidelity aren’t discovered as a side effect, they have to be looked for. Same for genetic defect.
The real issue isn’t the testing itself, but the question of access to the information from this testing. Paternity testing would be the beginning of the “slippery slope”.
Are there really that many men who don’t trust the mothers of their “issue”?
Well if that 10% is supported we are talking ten million or more men. Since infidelity and child support are such harsh issues for many this becomes very relevant.
So statistically speaking it probably pretty likely that one of them might actually not have exactly the parentage we might expect. Just because you have a wonderful family that you love and trust does not make everyone so lucky.
Could a mod close that quote please…
All I’m saying is that if a man has reason to doubt the parentage of his own children, it should be on him to determine if his doubts are founded. The issue is between him and the mother, and is of no real consequence to me. Sure, I’ll be sympathetic to a man who discovers that he’s not the father he thought he was, but I shouldn’t be compelled to subject my wife to that test just to reassure him of his paternity.
If so many are really concerned, the first step should be to simply ask. “Babe, is little Jimmy my biological son?” You might be surprised at the answer. She could be just waiting for the chance to unload. Then you take it from there.
What, it makes it easier if the govt requires it?
Have some balls, guys. Sheesh!
Well, since in the scenario we’re describing you’ve done just as much to create this child as I have, I don’t see why you shouldn’t.
If I didn’t impregnate the woman then the child isn’t mine. If, despite that, I’m still somehow responsible for it, then so are you, so is your neighbor, and so is the President of the country. If you’re gonna make me pay for somebody else’s kid then you should be willing to put in your fair share as well.
Since there doesn’t seem to be much new factual information here, I’ll close this thread.
Let’s all try to remember what forum is for debating and what forum is for ranting. Hint: not this one.
bibliophage
moderator GQ
Sure, I’ll include the president. All this supporting of children is no burden on me, as a taxpayer. Not really.