Yeah, sure, forgetting two words out of a post is stupid…as it turns out, I didn’t remember it because - once again - you are (willfully?) misunderstanding something I posted and trying to make a federal case out of it.
So, on to your stupidity. My quote - “Its amazing how people in the vast majority - those who have reproduced or want to - are so unbelievable sensitive to any mention that it not be done by everyone.” doesn’t say what you think it does. The vast majority pertains to the fact that the vast majority of people in this country, and probably the world, either are parents or want to be. (I do admit to the mistake that I probably should have said adults rather than people, but that’s it.) The sentence doesn’t say that a vast majority of people are sensitive, nor does it say anything about people in this thread. What it says is people who have children or want to have them make up the majority by far, and it amazes me who some of those can be so sensitive to any opinion that having children isn’t something everyone should do. Such opinions are no threat to anyone who is a halfway decent parent, so flipping the heck out doesn’t make any sense.
It turned into a thread about all kinds of noise after the first few posts. People drag shit from other thread in all the time, you just have a problem with that one because it involved you.
No, they aren’t. Women are adults, teens are teens-girls-whatever you want to call them but not adults.
Where did you get that? The teen can be informed up the ying-yang, but I don’t feel that the parents should be forced to take on a baby.
This is one of the things I just don’t get about those who claim to love children. You agree with a law that forces a baby to be raised by resentful parent(s) and a teen too young and irresponsible to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. How is that the best choice for anyone involved, especially that baby you claim to care about?
If what I wrote in response above to that quote isn’t clear, let me know and I’ll elaborate.
[curlcoat]Sigh! When confronted by people who say I’m stupid and wrong, my first resort is to be stupider and wronger. It’s not rocket science, people! First you try to drag up old, irrelevant things that I have said on the subject, then you try to bring up new, irrelevant things I’ve said in this very thread. You’re stupid, that’s why you tolerate children. They inconvenience me on many levels, such as the old bitch alone in a Denny’s at midnight level. Many women my age would love to have grandchildren and I outsmarted losers who invest in humanity by having dogs instead.[/curlcoat]
I think what we ultimately have here (beyond a huge failure to communicate) is a non-parent dog trainer who thinks that shaming techniques are the best parenting strategy to get teenaged girls to put their babies up for adoption, and that such shaming should be encouraged society-wide. If legal coercion for adoption isn’t possible, of course. That would be preferable, but since what we’ve got to work with legally is shaming, we should work with that more.
Which, while I don’t think is a good thing to do, nor an effective parenting technique - it sure didn’t prevent our grandmothers from having babies as teens - it isn’t quite as heinous as forced adoptions or slapping on restraints to perform an abortion. I’ll give her that.
That’s the first definition (sort of) on dictionary.com, but the other four indicate a woman to be an adult.
That’s all we have since very very few people seem to be able to see past their bias, or they just live a black and white life. No where have I said anything about shaming teenage girls who get pregnant, and to anyone reading with even a slightly open mind, I didn’t say anything that even suggested it. It does amaze me that you all can’t seem to see anything between celebrating a pregnancy and shaming someone over it. Do your thoughts lack the wide grey area on all subjects or is just those involving babies?
Every PARENT should get a form of counselling. Seriously, because we are adoptive parents, we were required to take parenting classes and to understand our joint approach to parenting.
It made a HUGE difference. Surely, if the couple is married a presumably trying to have children, there doesn’t need to be talk about abortion or adoption. However, I truly feel that EVERY parent should have the opportunity for education that my husband and I received.
Parenting is not easy and most people go into it with little education and no tools. I am saying that even people who WANT their child should be given some tools.
I agree with you, I think, based on the way I parse your use of the word “should.” If you mean you think it’s a good idea, and you advocate it as a recommended option, I think most sane people would agree with you. If you mean to make it mandatory, that’s where you and I part ways.
Honestly, though, this thread should have been closed back on page 2 where Meyer6 said:
That’s the long-and-the-short of it. The only addendum I might throw in there is that she’s incapable of genuinely admitting a mistake. If she admits a trivial error, it’s always couched in some excuse (see earlier in this thread how she can’t be expected to remember two words she said; she has also cited posting in the middle of the night as an excuse for being wrong). If someone points out an error that flays her “logic,” she doubles down: irrelevant asides, personal attacks, I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I reversals, requests for proof that she herself never, ever provides, weird parsings of her own words (or others), and ultimately a flat-out lack of response.
I think she’s probably* the worst Doper on here, totally inimical to the stated mission of fighting ignorance. She adds absolutely nothing to this board, not even as a contrary opinion. She’s the avatar of proud ignorance.
[sub]I couch my judgement for two reasons: (a) I don’t post or read much anymore, so I might have missed someone, and (b) the pedophile-defender and enabler Starving Artist, who can at least make some occasional forays into logical responses, even if he’s generally wrong and guilty of many of the faults I dinged curly for above.[/sub]
In a multiple page thread, you are capable of remembering everything you posted and in what context? If so, then your memory is better than mine. I’m sorry that my lack of ability to remember all details bothers you so much.
Which means I admitted to being wrong and said something along the lines of “must have been because it was the middle of the night”.
Prove it. Like Meyer6, who does everything you just listed but it doesn’t bother you because you agree with him, unless you find some post where I am just doing the pit thing, you won’t be able to find anything like that. What it is going to boil down to is you have decided something I’ve said is irrelevant, which doesn’t make it so; if a personal attack, it’s in response to one at me; and I don’t even know what “I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I reversals”. As for proof - see above post, as for weird parsings gee I’m sorry I cannot be clear enough for you. I suggest you get over your bias towards those who do not swoon at the altar of the baby, it might help.
:rolleyes: You don’t post or read much, yet you make the effort to go on record and say all those things about me? And who is it that is going for the personal attacks? Which is the pattern - you all simply cannot avoid overreacting to any opinion that isn’t “babies are wonderful, everyone should have them, we should have as many as we want”. Then, either because you know you don’t have any logic to support that stance, or you are simply too emotional to think, you go straight to the personal attacks.
You talk about fighting ignorance, yet all you do is attack me for not getting why some/many/most people think every pregnancy is something to celebrate. I know it’s difficult to step out of your comfort zone and area of experience, and in those cases you should just stay out of it.
Speaking of Meyer6, I see once again he’s stepped out of a discussion when I’ve put him in a corner. Seems he’d learn…
