Customer service from the reverse perspective

Hi, my name is BP and I work in customer service,

First of all, for those of you who don’t know me (probably most of you), I am a student at a large public university in Indiana, and also work full time for a company that makes mail-sorting equipment. I work in the “Technical Operations” department. Basically, we do all of the installs of new equipment, client training, and take phone calls for problems (of course).

I am in school again (I took a couple years off), and because of this my job has been reduced to taking calls. I simply can’t travel any longer and my schedule doesn’t permit me to continue teaching our various training programs. Now that you have the necessary (ok, maybe not that necessary) background, I can continue.

For those of you who don’t already know this, the mail industry has to be the most mundane and flat out boring industry on the face of the earth. I mean, “innovation” takes on an entirely new meaning when used in our industry.

“Innovative” in our industry:

  • describes a new device that prints meter stamps 2,000 pieces per hour faster than the previous one!

  • can be used to describe the new feature on our machine that allows us to print tray-tags “on the fly”! (Don’t even ask me to explain this, just go with it)

  • shows how our printers put little bars on pieces of mail much clearer than our competitions!

Uhh… I’m nearly falling asleep describing these “innovations”, so I’ll move on. Anyway, as one might expect, when you work within a company that works with a boring and dull subject, you get boring and dull people… both working for and purchasing from the company.

What this means to me is, I get calls from these particular types of people constantly. Herein lies the problem. For example:

Me: “Hello, this is Mike.”

Client: “Hi, I’m Mr. Dick Hole and I’m having a problem.”

Me: “Ok, what’s going on?”

Client: “Well, the machine was running mail, and then it just stopped printing barcodes.”

Me: “Ok, go on.”

Client: “…”

Me: “Hello?”

Client: “Uhhh, what do I do?”

Me: “Well, I can’t really see your machine right now, because you are in [insert_random_city_here] and I am in Indiana, so if you could just describe the situation that would really help”

Client: “Uhhh, I just did.”

Me: “Ok, in order for me to help you, I have to know every detail about what has happened. Therefore, you need to relay to me everything that you know about the problem.”

Client: “Well, that’s all I know, it just stopped printing.”

Ad infinitum…

For fuck’s sake, do these people think I’m a mind reader? They want me to come up with the right answer, out of a potential 1,000,000,000,000,000 possible problems. These people that call are supposedly the technicians that are supposed to care for and service the machine. They call me without even having looked at the problem or a potential cure. They call me, expecting me to just hand out a mystical answer from my grab bag of knowledge.

So I grudgingly go through the same steps:

  • Ask them what they have done so far (invariably the answer is “nothing”)
  • Ask them exactly what they were doing prior to this happening (invariably the answer is “I don’t know”
  • Ask them if they’ve performed the regular maintenance for that problem (invariably the answer is “Oh, of course, we take care of this machine perfectly”)

Anyway, this rant has gone on long enough… I hear people bitch about customer service people quite a bit (probably with good reason), however, did anyone ever stop to think about the questions they are asking? Contrary to the popular phrase, there IS such a thing as a stupid question.

BP

PS - As a clarification, the customer service I work in isn’t the “look in the database for an answer” type. We have to really know the equipment and how to deal with nearly every problem that may occur… and we have to have this knowledge ready to go at all times. So it isn’t a “Gateway Technical Support” type of atmosphere.

So you’re one of them. Alot of nerve showin’ your face around these parts. Good thing it’s the mail you work for and not the phone company.

DaLovin’ Dj

I am by no means a customer service guru, but I’ve been doing phone support for about 6 yrs now. Here’s where your problem starts:

To the customer, there is no more. The machine doesn’t print barcodes. The machine is supposed to print barcodes. Finis.

This is a good point to phrase back the problem to the customer. Instead of saying “Ok, go on”, which makes them feel inadequate and puts them on the defensive (no one likes to admit to failure and call for help), say “Ok, so while you were running mail, the machine stopped printing barcodes. Did you notice any error messages or alerts when it stopped printing?” Gather information. You’ve got to lead them to the right information; it’s hard to get someone to tell you “Yeah, I used the machine as a basketball, and now it’s not working”…

Any monkey with a good support database can do technical support. But a well-trained monkey who knows how to actively listen and gather information will be a good technical support person.

A lot of this stuff sounds like psychobabble when you hear it the first few times, but if you stick with this job for a while, you’ll begin to see I’m right. Customers aren’t stupid or purposely trying to make your job difficult, they’re generally just intimidated and on the defensive, and don’t want to look stupid.

Well, ok, I take that back. Some users are stupid. But that doesn’t change how you should do your job. :wink:

Good luck!

[hands on waist, tapping foot]

And WHY is that?

Rasa, thanks for the reply… I am no Nostradamus, but if I didn’t get a reply of this sort, I would have been surprised.

One key in the OP, is that the people I talk to are the “technicians”. These are they guys that take our training courses, receive our users, training, and parts manuals, and generally own the responsibility of the machine. This isn’t a “customer” who knows nothing about the machine or how it works, which is what makes this so frustrating.

Maybe a good analogy would be if a cashier for a large department store (let’s say Target) called their regional manager and said “I’ve been working here with this cash register for 10 years, and I need to know how to check this person out”. They should fucking know by now! If they don’t, they should at least be able to provide some valuable input that will help the manager straighten the situation out.

I have been at this job for 5 years, and I have to admit that 2 years ago, I sounded very much like what you described as the proper way to take a call. At this point though, I am just so tired of the same ignorant calls over and over, it gets me pissed off rather quickly. In short, I recognize that my tolerance is much shorter than it used to be, and I keep that in mind while at work.

Thanks again for the reply,
BP

Having worked in tech-support for umpty-billion years (umpty-billion in this case = 5 or 6), my suggestion is to ask leading questions.

“Are there lights blinking on the bar-code printer? Which ones”

“Are there pages jammed in the printer?”

(assuming it’s connected to a computer) “Are there messages on the screen? What are they?”

“Is the printer even getting power? Is it plugged in?”

Presumably you know what kind of things can go wrong, suggest them to Mr or Ms Dickhead…

But I suspect you know this and are just frustrated that you need to take the time to go through those extra steps.
So, that said, I agree with you. It shouldn’t haveta be like pulling teeth to get a coherent description of what’s going on. But just think of the phone-tech’s mantra;

Whatever doesn’t kill me provides evidence for my defense attorney if I kill him/her. :smiley:

Fenris

Fenris - Someone who understands… sweet empathy. :slight_smile:

BP

PS - Good motto, I have to remember that.

BP: No prob. I realized that the people you take calls for are technicians, but I’ve talked to myriad “paper MCSE’s” that don’t know their arse from a USB port. Training does not a good listener make. Thanks for taking my post in the spirit it was intended though, I realized upon re-reading it that it sounded a bit condescending. Not my intention at all.

so…
what was wrong with his machine?

http://www.customerssuck.com
:smiley:

I’ll give you the options:
a) Ran out of ink
b) Didn’t turn the printer on
c) Nothing was wrong, just wanted to get out of work and waste time
d) Any combination of the above two
Rasa, np… I completely understand your position, and can even see myself replying to someone else with something similar. :wink:

BP

OMG, that’s funny. Rasa, I think I want to have your virtual love child.

  • Dave
    (who would hate to see one of these people install a new peripheral :eek: )

Rasa, my USB port hurts. And it has big red blotches all over it. Can you help me?

Oh come on guys, don’t you see the logical connection (har har, connection…) between a port an an arsehole? I’m not that creative… but thanks.

Snooooopy, I believe you are turning into THE FLY, and need to seek help asap, before it is too late and you start growing antennae “down there”.

And BGH, um, if I have any virtual love children, I’m coming after you for child support. :wink:

I think ass antennae could possibly be a reproductive advantage. I mean, freaky, sure, but since when did flies reproduce on the basis of looks?

I’m not sure if I ever would have started this thread… had I even considered that it would be hijacked by ass antennae… :slight_smile:

BP

Ass antennae would be a great idea for us girl-types - no more dipping our bums in cold water in the middle of the night when the boy-types leave the seat up!
(Sorry, BP. Sometimes the hijacks are just beyond our control.)

“Ass antennae” would make a great band name.

Perm,

The only reasonable answer to your problem is to move out to Cali.
Porn

Duuuuude!
How long was your training course?:slight_smile:
Back at tech support in good 'ol Big Blue (IBM) we had a thing called PD. Problem Determination.Basic standard tech support.You ask the pertintent questions to get to the bottom of the issue. It doesnt matter to fuck if this guy was part of the original design team of the machine or not.
Doesnt matter if he won a Nobel prize for innovation in engineerind and Barcode Print problems. His concern is this.
“it wont work”

That’s it.

Your company gets the finance for its support structure either from warranty agreements or built into the price.
They use that money to pay you.

Your job ?
If it doesnt work , you gots to fix it (or at least find out what’s worng).
That’s your concern , thats why they pay you , you do whatever it takes including talking with Mr Dick Hole and getting the info you need.

Your “go on” does not constitute a good attitude to the issue particularly if you really did go on ad infinitum with the “whats up?” routine.Usually a competent agent can identify a thick caller who wont cooperate or is just plain 'ol dumb about 30 seconds after Hello.You then switch to despondent heavy sighing mode and take out the “10 basic questions for shitferbrains customers” FAQ or whatever but you do what needs to be done.

And you say you’ve been doing this a while.?

C’mon you work in Support you gottttttta have a better tale of woe than that…[sub] I remember this one customer …oh man…he was standing in a bucket of water when he called with a [/sub]