Cybertrucks falling apart

Cars can’t think.

Great cite. To @corudstr’s question and @Folacin’s answer: Yep, exactly.

Now consider the only reason to jettison a canopy is there’s somebody inside who wants out. They get to sit through that explosion.


I know you did not create that vid, but …
It raises one of my pet peeves: vids that are stupidly edited to cut off the ending. I’d like to see if the canopy bounced off the airplane and where it hit the ground. But nooo, in the interest of making a 4.8 second vid instead of a 5.3 second vid, they cut off a bunch of the relevant action. Happens so often. Pisses me off every time.

Carry on.

Neither can Ketamine addicts.

Indeed it did, though the landing on the ground is obscured by smoke.

F-16 Canopy Jettison

Hopefully not everyone at Tesla is on horse tranqs. Probably only the boss and the entire Cybertruck team. Hopefully.

Thank you for the effort to find the full cite. I was mostly curious to see if it would clear the tail. It did not. Probably left a good dent there too.

In “any vehicle” other than a Tesla (or a highly modified secuirty vehicle), you can pull the mechanical door handle which is in plain view and open the door, or at worst, break the side window and climb out. In a Tesla, you are dependant on the electronic door latching system, hidden emergency egress releases, and not being in one of several models that has laminated side glass.

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Mostly that’s not unique to Tesla anymore. All automakers have been moving away from manual mechanisms to, IMO, save money. At least as far back as the C6 Corvette this has been a problem.

Getting rid of manual mechanisms has been trickling down from luxury and sports cars for decades. It sucks.

The Model 3/Y therefore have what I would call “normal” stupidity. The CT is worse because of its special glass. The Model S/X are the dumbest of all, though, because the electronic door release is on a retractable handle for no reason. It’s just one more part to break and/or get frozen shut in the winter. That “feature”, though is because car shoppers are easily impressed by gimmicks and Tesla isn’t the only one who’s made door pulls like this.

In these discussions of electric / electronic door controls it’d be useful to distinguish between interior and exterior controls.

IANA first responder, but I’d bet that people egressing themselves from minor emergency situations using the interior door control far outnumber rescuers helping incapacitated people egress from major emergency situations by using exterior door controls. Like 10 or 100x more common.

If we’re going require changes, focus first on interior door releases that are intuitive and obvious, even to first time riders in that model. And probably purely mechanical.

My non-Tesla car is like that - there’s an electronic mechanism.

But in the event of power failure, the mechanical backup is very obvious - it’s the same as opening a door the way you would expect. And the outer handles aren’t flush.

Money savings is not the answer in that case - the mechanical mechanism is still there (pull the latch in an emergency) plus the additional electronic stuff. The reasoning they gave seems pretty likely, actually - for older people or anybody who has a physical impairment like a broken wrist or arthritis, the electronic doors are vastly easier and safer to open. Or even if you just have a bag of groceries in each hand. The fallback option still exists for emergencies.

That doesn’t excuse Tesla’s non-obvious mechanism, though. Nor the windows. Leave it to the ketamine junkie to take a reasonable idea and implement it in a ham-fisted, non-intuitive, and unsafe manner in favor of aesthetics.

That doesn’t work, ether. Aesthetics can’t be the answer. Have you seen a cybertruck in real life? They are some of the ugliest automobiles made. Or any Tesla, for that matter.

The Model 3 and Y, by far the most common Teslas (by 10:1 maybe?) have a very obvious mechanical interior door handle. It is so obvious that new passengers are likely to find the mechanical handle before the electric button. This thread is about the Cybertruck. It also has a simple mechanical interior door handle for the front doors, just in front of the power window switches; the same as on the S. On the X, the mechanical and electric interior door handle is the same lever.

The following statement could have been written about Teslas:

So many valid reasons to criticize Tesla and the Cybertruck, but lack of interior mechanical door handles is not one of them. Drivers not knowing how to operate them is a different issue. In the front they are not hidden or secret, and no more mysterious than that first time you exit an unfamiliar rental car.

Good point. On the C6 the motivation wasn’t cost cutting, it was to protect the window seals. A lot of sports cars have frameless windows that lower a bit when the door opens and then raise up when it’s shut. Not doing this can put extra pressure on the seals, which had to get beefier due to increasing consumer expectations for NVH reduction.

A lot of cars like this are still mechanical, tough, you’re just expected not to whip the door open.

What is a cost cutting move, I think, is putting the manual release on the floor, or otherwise somewhere in the body of the car and not inside the door. I suspect it’s just a cheaper part, akin to a floor mounted trunk release, and simplifies the door handle design.

Fair point. The mechanisms on Tesla interior front doors is fine.

But the rear interior doors and exteriors are still an issue. Tried to figure out how to use them just last week (co-worker’s vehicle), and it took a while. And that was in a non-emergency situation.

All Teslas come with a free escape room experience!

It is whether it is true or not that you cannot leave the vehicle because the electronic door jams when the electronics are damaged.

My most recent GF has a Model Y. I have ridden in the right front seat a lot, and driven it a little. I have never seen a mechanical door handle inside the front doors. I found the door open button pretty readily and had assumed there was no mechanical handle anywhere.

Color me surprised at my own lack of observancy. (observantness?). Or perhaps it’s not so obvious as all that. I can’t say until the next time I ride in a Tesla. She and I now being past-tense ( :slightly_frowning_face: ) it won’t be hers in any case, so it may be awhile.

Sorry to hear that, congratulations on avoiding that minefield, or it was fun, but you both knew it wouldn’t last (take your pick).

You are counter to my very unscientific observation. Young people tend to find the button, and older people are looking for a lever, and find the mechanical release; they sometimes saw the button, but were afraid to push it.

The mechanical release is a lever (pull up) at the front of the armrest. It is somewhat hidden by the grab handle that comes up from the armrest. This is from a page selling the carbon fiber trim piece, but it nicely shows the controls on the passenger door.

It isn’t blindingly obvious with yellow arrows and stuff, but it’s not hidden. If the mechanical lever was a color other than black it would show up much better. It is hidden enough that if you find the button first (or are told), then you may never see the lever.

ETA: resized in the post, the lever is pretty hidden. Click the picture to see the larger version and the line between the armrest and lever is much clearer.

As to GF, more like we wish it could have worked, but our huge logistical incompatibilities overrode our great personal compatibility. Which we had feared from the start would be the eventual outcome; it’s frankly amazing we lasted 11 months that way. But it was a darn nice 11 months. No anger now, just sadness. C’est la guerre. Onwards and upwards to the next chapter.

I do see the lever now. Thank you. If it was bright red or even a contrasting finish, e.g. the same fake carbon fiber weave as the other door trim pieces it’d be a lot more obvious.

I can recall a similarly styled handle on some late 60s / early 70s muscle cars. Can’t recall which ones, but I’m getting more of a Chrysler / AMC vibe than GM / Ford. Of course back then the armrest was Naugahyde and the lever was bright chrome, so it stood out a little bit better. :wink:

Or put another way, if you’re in an accident or the car is on fire and you’re panicked, you will definitely never see that mechanical-release lever. This is a good example of the potentially fatal consequences of Elmo’s obsession with computerizing and automating everything, cleverly designed so that emergency devices are invisible to those who need them most urgently (because that wouldn’t be cool).

My 20-year-old car has electric door locks with various features, but the feature that I like the most from a common-sense and safety perspective is just a regular pull-type interior door handle. If the doors are all locked, sure, I can unlock the driver’s door with a push button, but it’s just as easy (and for me, more intuitive) to just pull the door handle. Even the inside of the trunk has a very obvious emergency-open handle, FFS.