Czarcasm's Junior Modding in ATMB

You’re reading this one, right? Care to explain why you are reading it, AND giving your input as a moderator, when it isn’t about you.

How can you tell that without reading it?

It is not a particularly old event, nor long after the fact. It was only a few days ago. And when your attention was drawn to it, it was even more recent. You could have acted then, nothing to stop you. Even now it is not so old that moderator action would be inappropriate.

And this is one of the reasons you get so much flak for your moderation coming across as tone deaf, inconsistent with the rest of the staff’s moderation, and very often being completely out of the blue - you’ve now admitted to putting no effort into being aware of anything outside your little bubble/fiefdom. Tell me - how often do you weigh in on staff discussions in the mod forum? Do you feel your contributions are worth anything if you’re making no effort into being aware of what’s going on?

What, never?
No, never.
What never?
Hardly ever.

This.

[QUOTE=tomndebb]
I would appreciate Czarcasm backing off on some of his responses, simply to reduce the number of complaints about him…
[/QUOTE]

When you as a Moderator would appreciate a poster backing off to reduce the number of complaints, that would be my definition of crossing the line. Of course YMMV, and by saying that I suppose I have shot my own point in the foot as now I am guilty of failing to provide a bright line of demarcation. :smack:

No real reason particularly. This thread made accusations that Czarcasm junior mods all the time. I asked for evidence. I haven’t seen any. I’ve seen some comments telling people they can report him, some strong defenses of moderator actions, some attempts to explain how things work, some useful advice, some comments from a user on how to comply with the rules. I haven’t seen junior modding.

And we all know how silly that sounds. (Right? blink blink)

He already did:

By reading the thread title.

I already noted the reason I am reading it.

Most posters are polite enough to indicate the topics of their threads in the titles they give them.

Yes. It is too old to address unless there was some special circumstance related to it and general insults are not special circumstances.

That is a pretty vivid imagination you are displaying. I only noted that if a thread appeared to be on a topic on which I have no information, I may very well skip over it. I read a lot of threads that are not specific to Great Debates, but I do not go out of my way to pass judgment on the actions of posters whom I have not watched or with whom I have not interacted. We all have opinions, even Mods, but some of us choose to refrain from acting on them when others who have more knowledge are already carrying on a discussion.

Ooooh. Good one. You caught me in a casual use of the word “never,” only to discover that I was wrong and that a poster had submitted four posts to GD in the last two and a half years, most recently with a single post from last May in a thread that got 31 responses and died in less than 26 hours. (Had you put a bit more effort into your search, you could have found all seven (7!) posts that Diamonds02 has submitted to GD, going all the way back to 2006–the only time she has submitted a second post to the same thread.)

I hereby retract my comment that Diamonds02 never posts in GD.
Diamonds02 rarely posts in GD and never stays around in a thread long enough to establish a presence or a pattern of behavior.

Carry on.

The title of this thread, “Czarcasm’s Junior Modding in ATMB”, irresistibly suggests the supposed chapter in an old book on Ireland:

:slight_smile:

Whoosh

If you say so.

Yes, I say so. :rolleyes:

You just can’t admit being wrong can you? Not in your moderating decisions, not in your discussions as an ordinary poster, not even when you fail to understand a joke.

The song reference wasn’t obscure. I certainly recognized it, but the joke didn’t work. The song implies the captain is a blustery nincompoop, it didn’t really have much to do with Tomndebb’s use of “never”, which was more functional than exact, but was not bluster.

I admitted I was “wrong” to your actual assertion, so that claim is just dumb.
Using H.M.S. Pinafore to make your point hardly changes the point you claim to have been making. (Unless you are now claiming that by employing a song lyric, you were not “really, really” making that point?)

So we are left with no evidence that Czarcasm has engaged in junior modding and Peter Morris trumping up dumb stuff to make nasty comments about the staff.
::: shrug ::: Another day at the SDMB.

That’s totally correct, as long as you continue to ignore Czarcasm’s personal insult in the wrong forum, which has been waved away as ‘water under the bridge’ because the moderators either couldn’t be added to respond to a report, or were too thick to understand the basis for the complaint.

I am ignoring nothing. But I am not going to make up new a new rule to hand out Warnings, days after an event, just to make you happy.

So, what’s the statute of limitations on Warnings? One day? Two? Three?

I don’t recall issuing a Warning more than one day after an event.

Except that making up rules is what you do. Your main moderating style is to tell people that they aren’t allowed to do something even though there is no posted rule that says it’s wrong.

And I’m just going to come out and say it. Czarcasm doesn’t get moderated for his rules violations for the following reasons:

  1. He’s a former mod, so he’s friends with most of the people who would punish him.
  2. He posts his worst posts in defense of these moderators.
  3. The mods reject any notion that they should moderate logically and instead use their emotions and how they feel at the time. Their only checks are consulting each other–but their commonalities mean that they often agree even when logic would dictate otherwise. There’s no mod that tries to be logical.
  4. Czarcasm, as a former mod, knows exactly where the mods place their line (something they won’t tell the rest of us), and thus can get away with running right up to it.
  5. The fact that people keep challenging the mods (especially in public) on how they treat him makes them more likely not to give in, as they think it somehow shows weakness.

An extra one requires guessing about why he quit: He went through a familial tragedy around the time he first quit. The second time he quit, I’m pretty sure it was due to stress. So there may be an element of the mods feeling sorry for him, which thus affects number 3 above.

Nothing we say is ever going to get the guy moderated. Some mods have even made it clear they think that people post in ATMB just to whine about things–the idea that they might be pointing out something they did wrong is not considered. Posters in ATMB are at best whiners and at worst the enemy.

A lot of big words BigT. Do you think you can back them up by showing some examples of Czarcasm junior modding?

Take your time.

Phew, I had been a bit worried about this post, where I essentially called twickster an incompetent motherfucker. Sure, I apologised for it soon afterwards, but it’s good to know, officially, that this lapse can’t be held against me.

Rarely do I venture into these threads, because personally I just read and post where I don’t find things that bother me. But wouldn’t the entire problem be mostly solved if a poster asked a question regarding rules/punishments in ATMB only moderators or admins can respond? The question asked, the moderators answered, thread closed.