Nope, yojimbo linked to it. yojimboguy is a different poster.
[QUOTEBut what I am really suspicious of is this strong need for so many people to blow him out of the water over this trifling issue. It’s more than a need to correct someone’s misapprehensions, it’s bullying. Why this glee over the attempted stifling of someone with a complaint of racism?
:[/QUOTE
IMHO, Redboss is right (and he made this thread take a really interesting turn), but the bullying masses had a very good excuse: Chaco started.
The (implicit) subtitles to Chaco’s first 2-3 posts read:
1 We Latinos feel hurt by Dame Edna. It follows Dame Edna must have had the intent to hurt, so she’s evil.
2 Subsequent posters keep insisting she’s funny and harmless.
3 Those posters are either blind, or they’re with Dame Edna and consequently against us, Latino’s and our hurt.
I think the vehemence of the many posters came from their implicit indignance at that last implicit subtitle.
/Hijack down Memory Lane
Back when I was an 18-year old feminist (and boy, did I want everyone to know about that sparkling new identity!) I kept getting that same kind of indignant remarks. "So, you hate men and you think all women-homemakers are lazy fools, right? " I kept interpreting that hostility like proof I was even more right than I feared. But fortunately, I was wrong. It’s just how people react when they feel attacked. Even when the attacker claims to be the victim first.
/end Hijack down Memory Lane
Sorry, but I read My Gorgeous Life and just about laughed myself into a rest home.
Esprix
CBEscapee I meant that Cervantes is considered to be the greatest author in all countries that speaks spanish 
Shakespeare never set foot in america (to my knowledge) and yet hes is the greates of all the english writers.
Back to the Op, Chaco if you don’t understand satire. I fear there is no place for you on this place, on other news I propose we ban Diogenes the Cynic, he is an strange combination of a cynic and a fundamentalist. Clearly there is no place in here for someone like him
And would you call him ‘Anglo-American’?
My all time favorite Dame Edna quote: “Lesbianism has always left a very nasty taste in my mouth!”
From “Barry McKenzie Holds His Own,” directed by Bruce Beresford and featuring Donald Pleasance as a vampire.
Dame Edna did a bit on NPR the other day where she described her treatment by her gynecologist, who just happened to be Julio Iglesia’s father (she pronounced it “Julio INglesias”), with a lot of sexual innuendo. Audio is here:
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/wesat/20030125.wesat.dameedna.ram
Parts of it are pretty funny (and surprisingly ribald for NPR), and obviously there is one Spanish-speaker who’s “help” she particularly enjoys…
I think the problem here lies with what seems a direct translation of the word “iberoamericano” which is quite common in spanish to denote just about anything that includes Spain along with the other spanish speaking countries in America. In reverse fashion, I believe estilicon was using it to denote the inclusion of all other spanish speaking countries when describing Cervantes’ greatness.
That I know of, the term “ibero-american” while grammatically correct, is not of common usage in English – thus the ackward-sounding “ibero-american writer.” Personally I would have just said “Spanish writer” and left it at that.
It does get a bit more complicated than that, as I’ve also read ‘iberoamericano’ used to express that someone/something pertains to a spanish speaking country in the americas – with the “iberia” part in that case meaning “descendant of” or “culturally related to” the Iberian penisula. And then you could also argue that anything having to do with the Iberian peninsula should also include Portugal. But I ramble…
Which leads me on yet another tangent, what the hell is a ‘hispanic’ and do I (a Spaniard) qualify as one? After having lived in the US for the better part of ten years, I still have no clue. I’ve always been a ‘Spaniard’ (only because ‘Spanish’ was bastardized as well) but that seemed to cause quite a bit of confusion with many a folk – something about not fitting into one box or the other. Amusing in an odd sort of way.
Phew…what the hell was I talking about to begin with? Dunno, but I hope whatever I wrote helps someone somehow…and if not, fuck it, may as well post it anyway now that I’ve got this far 
Redfury, I wasn’t comparing Dame Edna to Swift. I simply said that satire, for the most part, isn’t pretty.
I don’t read Dame Edna, and until now, I never knew who she/he was. I still think Chaco is overreacting.
The problem I’m having is:
When a man is wearing a glittery dress, a giant green wig, lipstick, eyeshadow, falsies, oouuuutrageous glasses and high heels… why is ANYone taking what he says seriously enough to be offended?
Hey Redfury, how come we never met before? I like your style, old bean!
Can we maybe get together and practice some songs and enter a talent contest ?
I think a medley of “Red Sails in the Sunset”, When the Red Red Robin…", “The Lady In Red”, “Little Red Corvette” and “Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer” would make a good start. Might get the lovely Ruby to come along as well.
See ya
Redboss
PS Chaco:Right, other (non-red) bastards: Wrong hehehe
People who think they’re too smart to preview.
Sheesh! Sorry.
R
Another “Latino” here. Since I don’t think it is funny in the least I see why some people are offended by it. Maybe the guy is funny doing his act live but JUDGING BY THIS ONE PIECE he can’t write satire for his life.
Now Swift… that’s a whole 'nother thing altogether.
Fucking idiot chiming in here. I completely fail to understand it, and so I therefore find it offensive to fucking idiots everywhere.
Fucking idiots of the world unite!
Just what we need. More PC sensitivity. Sheesh.
Should I be offended at “White guys can’t jump” (or whatever it was), or at Australian convict jokes?
No.
Better to have a laugh at it. Life is too short.
I’m with the “clearly satire, but seriously unfunny” camp
See, that make sense to me - “Yes, it’s satire, but I didn’t find it funny.” Since satire is supposed to offend, taking offense is redundant.
Esprix
Out of interest, would Dame Edna be in the “seriously funny but camp” camp?
Too much ink devoted to this thread already, but it is worth noting that you indeed compared the two.
Take a look at your original statement:
By saying that, you’re implicitly comparing the two and suggesting that Swift is the harsher satirist of the two. The bone I am picking has nothing to do with your opinion of each one, but rather the comparison itself.
Want to compare great satirist? Use someone like Cervantes instead, in my mind the greatest of them all. But this Edna character, IMNSHO, is best compared to shock-imbecils like Andrew Dice Clay.
As for the PC charge bullshit some of you are raising, dismissed as totally irrelevant. A good or great satirist or comedian can get away with practically anything – a hack looking to shock, is just that, a hack looking to shock. Who or what defines each one? Well, I fucking do, that’s who…and so do you and the rest of the public. And what usually ends up happening is that the rift-raft ends up in anonymity after their ten minutes of fame are over.
I’ll bet dollars to donuts that no one remembers a hack like Edna in a few years, while someone truly great like a Bruce Lenny will remain a subject of controversy and discussion for many years to come.
As for the oft expressed criticism in this thread, saying that all satire is offensive in nature, it misses the target of my couterclaim by a country mile. No one – that I’ve read here – is disputing the in your face nature of the gendre. The real contention not being adresses by the torch brigade bunch, is rather simple.
Namely that a satirical piece that misses its mark, as this one obvioulsy did, by crassly perpetuating the stereotypes it is trying to impugn, misses its mark by a country mile.
And yes, not funny can be offensive damn it! Just think it through.
Redboss,
Pleased to make your cyber-acquaintance. I’d missed your first post to the thread when I originally posted my own*, but on second reading of the thread, I must say were the voice of reason in a sea of inequity. And for that, my hat’s off to you, sir.
*Mustta been that legendary hot Spanish blood getting the best of me
PS – If the readers insert a you between the “must” and “say” in the second to last sentence of my post, and I’d be much obliged.