Dammit. No baby. DAMMIT.

Oh, come on. Is it that hard just to have a little sympathy with someone going through a hard time, regardless of what is causing it? I don’t think that it’s any coincidence that most of this infuriating advice comes from people who haven’t had to struggle with infertility, or who have had the slightest brush, and a surprise pregnancy happy ending.

I have to tell you, going through this myself has given me a lot more empathy with other people going through difficult times, whatever their problems have been.

On preview, I see that **Beadalin **has said what I should have, far more eloquently.

But everyone in this thread has demonstrated sympathy. Your whole argument is completely irrelevant.

I didn’t think that this was a particularly sympathetic response when it was pointed out that suggestions to relax and adopt-as-a-way-of-getting-pregnant were less than helpful to someone going through infertility at the moment. Maybe I’m touchy because I’ve gone through exactly the same situation and had to deal with the stupid, thoughtless comments from people who should know better.

You are correct: that was not a sympathetic comment.

But it was not directed at the OP; it was directed at people like ENugent who are whining about the advice being given in this thread.

Of all the things I hate hearing, the adopt-then-get-pregnant thing is possibly the worst. I understand that people who say this are being sympathetic and trying to be helpful*, but it isn’t actually helpful. Besides, it’s not true. I think I’m going to start keeping a list of people I know who have adopted that have not gotten pregnant. I took ten seconds to think about it and came up with Katie, Marqueesa, Cheryl, and me. People I know who have gotten pregnant after adopting? Mary. I know that’s anec-data, but even so, it’s clearly not a universal experience.

Also, the implication is that you should adopt a child - any child - as a ticket to pregnancy? That’s pretty crappy for the child that is adopted. If I did get pregnant and have a biological child, I fear my son might overhear that sentiment at some point and think, “Well, they got me, and then they got the real kid.” Crappy. And so, so not true. He is the light of my life and the delight of my heart, and the boy who made me a mommy, and ten biological little brothers and sisters wouldn’t change that.
*So please don’t think I’m attacking you. I’m not intending to. Trying to help you understand how not to hurt your friend indavertantly.

Well, this thread did not go at all the way I imagined. And here I thought I was sharing a story of hope, when what I was actually doing was harming others. But I guess if you want to hear the darker side of the story, here it is:

My wife, due to a condition called McCune-Albright Syndrome, was given a less than 1% chance of ever conceiving naturally. When we decided to try to have kids, we went straight for the IVF as our best shot. IUI was unlikely to work, and if it didn’t work, there was no way we could afford IVF as well. As it was, our relatives went into hock for us, we borrowed more than we could afford, we used cut-rate medications to strip our costs down even more, and still spent over $9000 for the IVF.

It was pretty much pure hell. I hate needles myself, and yet in the course of around two months, I had to give my wife a total of 84 shots, in her legs, arms, stomach, and finally in her backside. I’m sure she was even less thrilled with receiving them than I was giving them; the last round of shots, some chemical I can’t even remember now that came in an oil base, used a large-gauge, long-ass needle, and those things had to hurt. There were nights where her body chemistry was so messed up that she was crying from pain and begging not to have any more shots. Somehow we did them all. They finally got some eggs, fertilized them, and implanted them.

We got the call just before Thanksgiving that her pregnancy test was positive. That was the “best Thanksgiving ever”, with all the well-wishes and the promise of a baby on the way. Presents came flying. And then, a few days later, we get the call that her HCG level, which should shoot up like a rocket during pregnancy, had dropped like a stone, from a high of 80 to around 4. No baby for us. My wife called me at work and I sped home; I don’t remember a thing about the trip, it’s a miracle I made it in one piece. We spent days in a daze, and there were lots of tears. My wife doesn’t know this, but one clear memory I have of that week was me in the closet, packing up the baby stuff so she wouldn’t have to look at it. Someone had given us the book “Love You Forever.” I looked at the cover and broke completely.

The best Thanksgiving ever became the worst Christmas ever. We’d agreed to host the big family Christmas at our house, so we were deluged with relatives, including about a dozen little kids. My wife tried to be a good hostess, but all she could think, looking at all the kids running around having fun, was, “This is what I’ll never have.” We didn’t have the money to try again, even if we were physically and emotionally capable.

Adoption came up first on the car ride back from her dad’s house that New Year’s. It was all we had left. We started the foster-adopt classes that January, and we finished the course, but along the way we decided that a domestic adoption wasn’t for us. So, we looked at international adoption, specifically China, and started collecting the massive amounts of paperwork we needed to adopt.

On August 2nd, the date my wife would have given birth to our IVF child, I brought home a red balloon. I tied a small card to it, and I told my wife that I would give up all naming rights to our adopted child if she would let me write the name of our lost child on the card. She said I could, and I wrote the name. We went into the back yard together, and after a while, we let it slip through our fingers and watched it drift away. It was a clear, windless day, and I watched it drift for what seemed like forever, and finally it was gone. We had let go of our dreams of a biological child.

The last document that we needed for the adoption arrived from the Chinese consulate in San Francisco on September 9th. And that same morning, my wife took a pregnancy test, because she was late, and it was positive. We believe that the conception happened less than two weeks after we let go of our hope.

Oni no Maggie, I am truly sorry that this has happened to you. A lot of us have been in the same place, and it sucks. I just wanted you to know that, even though the world is shit right now, you will come out of it. And sometimes, miracles do happen.

End note: We are still waiting for our Chinese daughter, three and a half years later, thanks to (very likely deliberate) slow-downs in the process. Having a biokid show up didn’t make us give up on our adopted child, even though it has meant going through multiple homestudy updates and refiling the paperwork with immigration three times. I’ve been asked why we haven’t given up, and my answer is, “I won’t, until I can write her a letter telling her why we’re not coming to pick her up, and I can’t do that.”

Let’s not let this thread run wild. Just to balance out what you’ve already said, my boyfriend/future spouse is the biological child, whose mother decided to adopt kids when he was 9 years old. WTF? His mom is a single parent (father had him sometimes in the summers, paid minimum child support) and up and decides to adopt. In not so many words, he’s said that he felt he wasn’t good enough, and still does. After not understanding his position before meeting his family, and after seeing their interactions, after two years I can safely say that it can’t possibly be a good idea to have a mixed family. Now people are going to come in and say how much they love their adopted sibling, blah blah blah, Angelina Jolie did it, but seriously, it’s kind of a messed up thing to have a mixed family. Biological kid or adopted kid is going to feel left out, there is going to be competition for resources, etc. And when you talk about familiar similarities, it’s gonna make adopted kid feel left out.

To the OP, have you thought about what kind of physical or mental issues your child may have, given your age? My youngest brother was born (he was an accident/surprise) to my mom at 39 and my dad at 49. He has terrible allergies, both food and outdoors/indoors/seasonal, asthma, insomnia/sleep apnea, skin conditions, and on and on, since he was very young. My parents are non-smoker, non-drinkers, healthy, etc, so none of his problems could have been a result of her lifestyle before she found out that she was pregnant. None of these problems plague me or our other brother (born to my mom at 31 and 35). Now, we have exceptionally good health care, so the littlest Bluth is well taken care of, but it manifests itself in his everyday life - he can’t go to a friend’s house with a cat. He can’t go to a friend’s house with various types of dander-heavy dogs. He’s got special (expensive) contact lenses so that they don’t reject his allergy-prone eyes. His allergy shots are wildly pricey, even with insurance. Are you financially and emotionally in a position to deal with a more expensive child than on average?

I also wondered about this, given the OP’s comment:

I had a lot of these same thoughts while reading the OP. Kids are expensive, and even on a shoestring budget, cost more than an extra $1k/month, even if one parent stays at home to care for said child. Did you guys think about exactly how much of your budget is going to increase if you do end up having a kid? That, and you may end up with the special needs kid you never dreamed of having, which will be another drain on your budget and emotions. If you’re not prepared for the potential of something pretty daunting, you may not want to invest in more medical intervention for the sake of becoming pregnant. Has your doctor discussed chances of viability past the first trimester considering your other fertility issues? Lastly, are we talking about you obtaining your first house together (i.e. you’re renting), or would you be moving to a different/larger house? It drastically changes the scenario, as renting has a greater possibility to become unstable over time due to changes that may be out of your control. It just doesn’t seem like a practical option based on the information you’ve given us.

Wow—one of the most touching posts I have EVER read on SDMB—Max Torque, my best wishes for your entire family, even if you are not able to all be together just yet…

Another story that I hope will give you hope for the future…

My former supervisor at work married rather later in life, and immediately started trying to conceive. They were unsuccessful for many reasons, most of which had to do with her uterine fibroids and lots of scar tissue in the general area. She had a ton of surgeries, IUI, a handful of IVFs, got kicked out of results-oriented fertility clinics because she was negatively affecting their statistics, the whole nine yards. Eventually she took up with a fertility clinic that didn’t so much care about statistics, which most of us who knew what she was going through and how much she was spending thought was a bit ridiculous–we figured they were just taking her money and never giving her the results she wanted.

Then one day I was in the elevator at work with another former co-worker. She said “You’ll never guess who’s pregnant.” And she’s right, I didn’t guess. But when she told me it was Jane, I jumped up and down and whooped and tears came to my eyes, right there in the elevator. She was 20 weeks along and had her anatomy scan before she told everyone at work. And for good reason–the IVF that finally took was originally triplets, and she’d lost two of them at about 8 weeks along. She’d gone into the doctor’s office after bleeding, fully expecting to see nothing on the ultrasound. But there was Daniel, hanging on for dear life, his tiny just-formed heart ticking away on the grainy screen, even as his two siblings had passed.

Daniel will be two years old at the end of April. Jane was fifty-three years old when he was born, and seems ten years younger than she was before she had him. She retired at the beginning of this year, although I still see her around from time to time. She went through ten years of hell to get that little boy, and I still start to cry every time I tell this story.

Look, I’m not trying to rain on your parade, but 53? Really? My dad was 49 when my youngest brother was born, and he’s a trooper, honestly. He’s 64 now but looks 50, he works out 5 days a week, drinks red wine sparingly, dyes his hair, always keeps up with the latest clothes, and threw the ball with my brother when he was a kid. But you know what? It’s not the same, and both he and the littlest Bluth know it. My dad didn’t get on the floor and play as much - my dad used to chase us till we flopped down exhausted but he was taking naps when the littlest Bluth did. He had rotator cuff surgery not long ago. But my parents are extremely well-off, so they could afford to have a child later in life and not suffer much.

There’s just a lot the OP hasn’t accounted for.

This is utter crap. Anything you claim here can just as easily be claimed about a parent have any subsequent children whether any of them are adopted or biological. Unless it’s an only child, all the same “competetion for resources” will be occurring.

More utter crap. None of this can be attributed to the age of the parents. A few chromosomal abnormalities can be, most notably Down Syndrome, which any fetus of an older mother is tested for. How can you possibly imagine that ALLERGIES can be definitively attributed to older parents? (The age of the father has no bearing on the health of a child, only the age of the mother.)

No words of wisdom here, just ((((hugs)))). What you want is a wonderful thing and I hope everything works out :slight_smile:

Without going into the rest of the risk factors, here’s just one reputable study that disputes this claim: http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/del453v1

And good luck, ONM and husband.

No parenting is the same. I promise you that every single parent has some aspect that makes them a little less than ideal.

That was my concern. If you did another IUI and it was successful, or IVF and it was successful, it doesn’t guarantee your biological child won’t have special needs or a disability. If you don’t feel up to that with an adopted child, what would you do if you find out your bio kid had a big health/developmental problem to deal with?

Max Torque - that was very touching.

Having done this - adopted a child and not chosen to adopt a special needs child, I’ll answer this.

When you give birth to a child (which I have also done) you take on certain risks, but get a certain amount of control as well. And if you KNEW you were going to end up with a special needs kid, you might decide not to pursue a pregnancy. I have several friends with high risk of genetic defects - they’ve decided not to have bio kids. Doctors routinely recommend testing to see if a child has birth defects, and then offer the option of terminating the pregnancy.

When you adopt a child, you give up a lot (you do), but you do gain one thing, the ability to make some decisions on the nature of the child you are willing to accept. You often give up taking it home from the hospital - and sometimes give up the first couple years of its life. You give up its genetic ties to you. In exchange you can say “no special needs at the time of adoption.” BUT, its likely to be much more expensive to do so, because there are special needs kids available and organizations willing to subsidize placement. If you say you are willing to take a special needs kid, you have a 100% chance of getting a special needs kid. That’s a way different decision point than “maybe our baby will be special needs.”

All kids turn out to be needy in the end - some more than others. And there are no guarentees that a healthy baby isn’t going to have an accident and be a paraplegic.

Wow. Blatant ignorance I see. Tons of sources cite older sperm as less then ideal. Here, I’ll help your feeble mind out: google “age of father and birth defects” “age of father and autism” “age of father and down’s syndrome”.

Uh, yeah, and there’s tons of statistics citing why single parent households are less than ideal for the child, that they don’t grow up as emotionally resilient or successful, at every socioeconomic level. But there’s not much evidence that older parents are less than ideal (in rearing kids), so I was trying to shed light on it. It’s not for everyone, and having more money and time is helpful, even a necessity, for most.