Force in the same way that we force pedophiles to stop their practices, the same as we force drug addicts, the same as we force murders. If it were only a matter of ‘your body’ then I would be in complete agreement with you. But we are not talking about just your body, we are talking about the life of a child.
No. We aren’t. We’re talking about a mass of cells. Until you start arguing with some facts, it’s very difficult to take you seriously. And so far, you haven’t presented anything except your opinion and some rhetoric.
Wow, did anyone else know they gave James Kopp an internet connection and a computer? Colour me surprised.
Again that is where we disagree. It is not just a clump of cells to me because it will, so long as nothing ‘gets in the way’, become a conscious creature and therefore has a right to “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”.
Tell that to my nephew (who I hear laughing in the room behind me). My act was just as noble as if I had talked someone out of murder, which, actually, I did.
How exactly do you plan on using force?
So it would be wrong of me to try and force a person to stop who was going to murder another?
Great googly moogly. Can any abortion protestor actually debate this issue without resorting to pleas on people’s emotions and stick to the facts?
You effectively robbed your sister of a choice. You consigned her to care for another person indefinitely. You are not physically or financially responsible for that person. You, sir, have lost all credibility.
Overturn Roe vs. Wade, then try to get a constitutional amendment passed that defined the right to life as beginning at conception.
I haven’t appealed to emotion, like it or not this is a life and death issue that easily creates much drama. When talking about why slavery or the holocaust was evil you are going to have emotional issues come up in even the most rational and level-headed discussion.
I didn’t rob her of choice. Firstly because I did not force her not to go I talked her down from it, she could have gone behind my back. Secondly the choice is never really there, you have as much of a choice to have an abortion as slaveholder had property rights over other men.
Also, that is a cheap exit. I could just as easily say that you support the murder of children and have therefore lost all credibility
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Evidently not.
How does the saying go…“It’s taking longer than we thought”?
I see a problem here. People couldn’t even agree on whether or not Terry Schiavo had consciousness, and she wasn’t a fetus. Judgment calls regarding the potential consciousness of a potential child would be difficult in the extreme, so you’re not exactly out of the quicksand on this one. Given the strength of your opposition to abortion as you have described it, my guess is that for practical purposes, the “extreme birth defects” clause would only kick in if the fetus were so severely anencephalic that there might not even be enough left to breathe with, much less think with. (Yes, folks, I do know that the parts of the brain that control autonomic functions exist without consciousness.)
Sorry for the hijack. Good luck returning to the OP, though I suspect the thread is more or less totally derailed.
Unless Muad’Dib forced her sister not to have an abortion, then he didn’t rob his sister of a choice. She ultimately chose NOT to have an abortion, not her brother. As much as he’d like to believe he made the decision, he didn’t. And I don’t think he’s such a bad guy for persuading his sister against having one (I don’t think they should be done willy-nilly, personally).
I’m not stepping into the abortion thing because 1) I’m not sure how I feel about it and 2) it’s a hijack. I will say that I agree 100% with the OP. There’s a time and place for graphic protest. A common eating area is not a good place for posters of dead babies.
I know a couple of people who have suffered from miscarriages. They can be very gruesome and traumatizing events. Imagine if you recently miscarried and you turn the corner after class to find a poster of dead babies held up in front of your face. How is that supposed to make you feel?
I know if that were me, I’d be so mad I’d probably beat someone up.
Yeah, I agree it can be a tricky decision, there are often no definites in biology. You just have to be careful and if you are not sure, try to err on the side of life.
That’s funny, because once when passing one of their protests, I loudly remarked about how hungry it was making me for a meatball sub.
“their” refers, of course, to the crazy anti-abortion types.
I can’t help it if your pictures look like food.
They do look a bit like those oversaturated pictures in old cookbooks, don’t they?
:: is all hungry again, dammit ::
I’ll take rhetorical fallacies for $800 Alex.
“The rhetorical fallacy currently being displayed by ** Muad’Dib **”
:bzzzzzz:
What is begging the question Alex?
Thats correct!
Your premise is that a fetus is a human with a right to life and than you conclude from that abortion is wrong. However there is no reason to consider a fetus in the same class as a human.
Try again.
Eh? I don’t see any reason not to consider it a human. The moment the sperm and egg fuse a new seperate entity is created. That single cell is a human as much as you or I, it is just in a different stage of life.
And everyone should just take your word for that? And no, I am not asking for some cite from www.holypoopabortionisfun.org, but that is the crux of the matter: You and yours don’t believe a fetus to be a human with the same rights as a human. Others, many others it seems, feel otherwise.
Some of you seem incapable of making the connection: If a person feels that a fetus is a human, then it is logical for them the believe that abortion is wrong. It really is amazingly simple.