If someone else wants to show him that his opinion has no evidence to back it up, whereas my opinion that he’s totally WRONG has evidence to back it up, please point it out to him.
You’re just as bad as the rest of them with this buullshit.
Yer pal,
Satan
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And here I just finished a long post calling an orthodox Jew a religious bigot.
Es tut mir leid. I didn’t realize that as an SDMB poster I was only supposed to criticize Christians. If only I had read Daniel’s words first, I could have saved my barbs for a good Christian martyr like I was supposed to.
You know, they should really put all these rules down in a book or something so we would all know how we’re supposed to behave.
Satan, I really don’t want you to dislike me. Tell you what, I will concede that I have nothing other than my own perceptions to back up my opinion, if that will make you happy.
Sorry, you are wrong. Daniel is an intelligent man who does not happen to agree with you. I happen to be a Christian, but I am also not stupid. And Danielinthewolvesden is not an assohole Christian who tries to impose his beliefs on you. Yes, I know that they do exist. Daniel is not one of them.
Truth is, Christians are treated with disdain by some people on this board. I do not trash other people’s beliefs, even if I do not think they are correct. It is not for me to judge, and it is not my place to attempt to change their beliefs.
You know, I am interestd to know-Why is it that you feel impelled to trash MY faith?
Satan was not trashing your faith, Scotticher, nor was he trashing Daniel for being a Christian. He was trashing a poster for something posted on this board. That poster happens to be a Christian, and the post in question made reference to Christianity.
So what?
Posters are called out for their posts all the time. If your standard is that any post critical of a Christian is obviously critical because he is a Christian, then I do not wonder that you feel Christians are persecuted.
And you are willing to drop your whole point to make him happy? Wow! I am truly stunned by the very depth of your convictions!
If you so long to make Satan happy perhaps you should just lodge your entire head up his ass and be done with it! Why don’t you just call him up everyday and have him tell you what to think?
Frankly, I’m stunned that you are so worried that he will “dislike” you. Are you here to have your own opinion and back it up or here to make everyone like you?
Sheesh! If you are going to say something, be prepared to back it up or don’t say it. And this?! Caving in like that?! My respect for almost everything you’ve ever said just took a huge nose dive, Dan.
As a neo-pagan on this board I’ve gotten reamed for my spiritual beliefs. But I NEVER backed down. I have refused to argue with posters who seek only to slam and offer nothing for discussion.
Let me offer you this for discussion: If you really still do believe in what you said back it up. If you now find you were wrong say so. Don’t just back down because you don’t want Satan to dislike you. The way that quote reads it sounds like the only reason you are backing down is because you don’t want Satan to dislike you… and as much as I like Satan as a poster he isn’t the only one here…
Less this sound harsh, I’m just frustrated by your argument. I really don’t get you or what point you are trying to make. I see you caving in for nothing almost like you just don’t care. Do you?
I do not believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Pinkness is a product of visual perception. Invisibility and Pinkness are mutually exclusive. Therefore the Unicorn cannot simultaneously be Invisible and Pink.
Now, jmullaney-
It is not enough to love the Great Gummi and follow his teachings by not standing in the spot where the Grand Piano is going to fall. You must eat the flesh of the Great Gummi, which is sacramentally present in all Gummi Bears.
Satan-
I’ve never heard of Orthodoix Jews. Is that a new sect? And can you teach me to flame like that?
Byz: I am sorry, but you apparently misread my post. I am NOT backing down. I still stand 100% by my opinion. However, rather than continue the arguement, I was willing to state that I was not going to quote any posts or threads to back it up. That I was convinced of my inability to convince satan he was wrong, and thus was not going to debate him anymore on this subject: ie that it is only my own perceptions that back up my opinion- I will not submit any evidence. I am not conceding I am wrong- but I am conceding that I cannot convince satan I am right- so I concede the “debate” to him. But thank you for your post, Byz, it did read somewhat like I was changing my mind.
Altho public opinion is running against me here, several of the Boards respected Posters DO agree (in part, at least)with me- Scotti, Jmulaney, Lauralee, & Izzy. Not all Christians, either. Well, maybe it IS only our perceptions, but even so, it is a rather un-SDMB thing to do. So, even if we?I have not convinced anyone, please think before you begin to 'slam" some poster who espouses a Christian viewpoint- and remember- bias is very hard to recognize in ourselves.
So, let me just get this clear in my mind… you still think you have a point but you can’t/won’t back it up? Than frankly, hon, and I’m being nice here, why did you make the point?
I’m not just trouncing on you as there are much pickings in the Pit at the moment and you are small potatoes but really… why make such a point when you obviously know you can’t back it up? I’m not harping about “you and him” I’m harping on point. You said that Christians get bashed more than others. I’m saying that’s total shit. And if you are as much of a Pit Bitch as I am you KNOW this!
Well, sugarpants, I’m one of those “others” that get trounced. I can offer proof for my position. I’ve really gotten beaten for my particular belief system. I am more than happy to provide the threads… but what I am more than happy about is to discuss it further. I abhor the trolls who post ignorant crap about me, my religion… I’m always willing to give them the Straight Dope on it but you know? They really don’t want it! They really don’t WANT to hear me, my voice and what I have to say.
You say that you concede on point because you cannot convince Satan that you are right… well, fuck me all the way around the Milky Way but what about the rest of us? Satan doesn’t speak for the board as a whole… unless there is a thread I’m unaware of… I mean, really, I never said he could speak for me…
And as far as “public opinion” goes… BWHA HA HA! Like you think anyone/everyone who is Christian is going to agree with you? Like because a “respected” poster agrees with you that somehow bolsters your argument? Can I just point out to you that I don’t give a flying fuck WHO agrees or disagrees with you?
I could care less, really. Carry your own weight or bale. I won’t carry you if you can’t and I doubt other’s will do so just “because”.
Get real. This is a message board. Stand for yourself or piss off. JMHO.
Tweedledum: Look at this stupid thread, Tweedledee. jmullaney is trying to show we’re all going to hell. Tweedledee: How so? Tweedledum: Well, he says you have to stand in the sun. Obviously, if you were truly to be standing in the sun you’d have to be naked. Not even the Great Gummi went around naked, and he certaintly didn’t teach anything like that. Therefor jmullaney is an idiot. Tweedledee: You’ve got it backwards, Tweedledum, although I agree with you jmullaney is an idiot. The fact that you could never be completely standing in the sun shows it really doesn’t matter how much of the shade you are in. Thus, jmullaney is just blowing smoke. Tweedledum: So, this teaching is either impossible, Tweedledee: Or exactly what the Great Gummi was sent here to tell us to ignore doing.
At which point I come in to point out that in the text, the Great Gummi spoke on this very problem. I even leave off the part where he says such people are whiny brat offspring of the evil Accordian Player, since I don’t want to seem to be flaming anyone. I merely point out the Great Gummi says they should change their tune and that teaching requires wisdom.
Whence they simulpost: Tweedledum: But, wisdom and logic are the exact same thing! Tweedledee: Only fools use wisdom. You are only allowed to use logic on this board.
At which point the atheist shows up and tells me I must stop making cruel and irrational arguments!
As this concerns myself and the issue is one that other posters have touched on as well, I would like to clarify a bit, using this example.
The Orthodox Jew to whom Spiritus Mundi refers to is myself, and this took place in another thread in this forum. However - Spiritus Mundi did not take the attitude that “here comes an Orthodox Jew…he’s probably going to turn out to be some sort of religious bigot…oh, look there he goes…RELIGOUS BIGOT!!!” To the contrary, he analyzed my statements and became convinced based on them that I am a religious bigot. Though I disagree with this conclusion, I believe that anyone who would post any opinions in this forum must accept that others will draw conclusions and make judgements based on them. Someone who cannot accept this, should not post.
Most of the other examples that others have given of this one or that one being trashed are of the same nature.
When I referred earlier to my impressions about the treatment of Fundamentalist Christians, I was referring to a completely different phenomenon. There is a condescending “here comes another one of those people” attitude to which both the arguments, and the people who present them seem to be greeted with. And their right to hold and express their beliefs is not given as much support as that of other groups.
This is my impression. I am aware of the counterarguments that others have presented, and think there is something in many of them. Nonetheless it would seem to me that they do not add up to enough.
It’s not their right to hold Fundamentalist beliefs that is at issue so mauch as the fundamentalists’ assumption that they are always right and there can be no basis for disagreeing with them.
Fundamentalist: I believe in the literal truth of the Bible.
Me: Okay
Fundamentalist: I believe in the literal truth of the bible and you have to also or you’re going to Hell.
Me:Get bent.
Oh, here and there, in places where they’ve either never heard of the internet or they strictly limit one’s access to it. (I’m talkin’ 'bout Public Libraries who say “Thou must have a Card to use the 'net. No exceptions, no excuses.” And some of them say, “One hour per day. Period. Stop whining.” And there are the ones who say, “‘Internet?’ What is that? A new way to catch fish?”)
I’ll be glad to get back to L.A. Oughtta be back by the end of the month. (I’ve been all over this summer! I’ll tell y’all all about it when I’m home.)
Is it the fact that they believe it, say it or are obnoxious about it?
If you had a friend who believed in the literal truth of the bible, and you knew that deep down he believed that a person such as yourself will end up in hell, would you find that offensive? How about if the topic happened to come up and he did not hide this belief?
The paradox in this is that anyone who believes that people who do X go to hell is going to believe, as a logical extension of this belief, that Guy A who does X will go to hell. Needless to say, this is not a pleasant thing to bring up in polite conversation. Furthemore, it is not a good idea, IMHO to sit around dwelling on whether other people are going to hell or not. Worry about yourself.
However, suppose a person of such beliefs is willing to leave hell out of the conversation altogether. He merely says to Guy A “you shouldn’t be doing X”. Guy A reacts by saying “and just why not? Are you saying that I’m going to hell? How dare you!”. How do you see such a scenario? If you would not tolerate this, this means that the person cannot attempt promulgate their beliefs because of the implication inherent in them of hell for those who reject them.
Oh my my my. Personally I think everyone is getting worked up over something minor. Daniel, I’m not satan, but I understand you want to make peace with him, may I venture a suggestion? Agree to stop posting hypothesisis on how christians are persecuted on this board without proof. You are still entitled to your personal opinion, just stop sharing it with the rest of the board. I may be wrong here, but I feel that could be an apropriate suggestion.
Daniel?
Satan?
I bother you? Why? Why exactly do I bother you? Is it because I raised another point that you can’t rebut with any evidence of any kind? Oh, ok, so then I guess you’ll say that you are still right, but there’s no way to prove it, just like in Satan’s case. Okay, but guess what, Danny, there are a WHOLE HELLUVA LOT more posters here who have brought up points conflicting your argument. Are you going to say the same thing to all of them? Because, I’m sorry, but as was said, Satan doesn’t represent everybody here. YOU are the one who posted something you could not back up (In Great Debates, no less!), and WE are the ones who shot it to Hell, but apparently WE wasted our time, because YOU’RE right, even though there is NOTHING to prove it! Here’s a tip. If I bother you, then you can make me go away really simply. Instead of posting moronic crap that you can’t back up and then apologizing for it, next time just DON’T POST IT. If you’re not looking for an argument, then take it up with someone who you AGREE with, since THEY won’t prove you wrong.
See, but that is the problem. You think that is a flame. But the fundie thinks he’s just trying to help you not go to hell. How 'bout a polite “thanks, but no thanks”?
