That fight scene is still getting great press.
I don’t think there’s that many people who missed that Fisk was a villain. Saying that he was interesting and sympathetic isn’t the same as “being on his side.”
Really? They were arresting Senators and billionaires a minute after a single, admittedly dirty cop made allegations, without even a quick collage of investigations or due process, and apparently no legal representation to keep Fisk from going from his apartment straight to solitary confinement.
That seemed a bit rushed to me. Didn’t detract much from my enjoyment of the series, though.
So you wanted a boring collage of court scenes? Really? I know I didn’t.
that was kind of lame
I didn’t have a problem with that collage (other than it running a bit long). I’m assuming that they didn’t bust every one of those guys based purely off of that one cop’s testimony. More likely, they used him to bust five or ten guys further up the chain, and those guys rolled on another five or ten, and those guys another five or ten, and so forth. I don’t need to see every step in that chain, particularly given that’s its mostly going to involve characters we don’t know or care about. Sure, in real life, that’s a process that would take years and years, but TV justice works faster than real-life justice, even in shows that aren’t about guys in tights punching each other.
Also, Fisk was never in solitary confinement. He got busted out before he ever made it to a cell.
That said, I wish they could have found a way to make Matt’s role as a lawyer figure more prominently into bringing down Fisk’s empire. I think it would have worked better if they’d contrived some way to put the corrupt cop on a witness stand, and have Matt break him using his 'leet law skills, instead of just showing up in a warehouse and beating up a ton of cops again.
Something that really bugged me was Karen not telling anyone about shooting Fisk’s lawyer. I get that she’d feel guilty over killing a person, even if the killing was 100% justifiable. And she was absolutely right to not go to the cops about it - no way does she live through that experience, given how epically corrupt the NYPD is in this show. But not telling Foggy or Matt? Come on!
I thought that was great. It showed she was not just ruthless and capable but smart. Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead.
BTW it’s been renewed for a second season:
Also, there is a secret in her past, that Ben Urich mentioned when they first met. Something that makes the authorities not likely to believe her.
If she’s hiding that, I think a fresh murder would be reasonable to hide as well.
See, I don’t think it really showed any of those things. Capable, sure. Smart? Smart would be telling the two guys trying to take down Fisk that Fisk’s lawyer just kidnapped her and threatened to murder them all. Even if they don’t go to the police with it, that’s still hugely useful information. And these are two professional lawyers and her best (only?) friends in the world. They know how to keep secrets, and they’re not going to abandon her for a wholly justified homicide.
As for ruthless, she’s wracked with way too much guilt to call her ruthless. And I’m guessing it’s going to get worse in season two: I’m pretty sure this is going to be the precipitating event that turns her into a drug addict.
Lobohan: Sure, but the main concern with the authorities in this show isn’t that they’ll turn up damaging information about her past. It’s that they’ll put a bullet in the back of her head and dump her body in the bay.
Assuming they pick up season two with the trial of Fisk, they may well do that — except Matt would be defending the cop, not cross-examining him.
The wrap-up montage of the Kingpin’s empire falling was unrealistic, but I think in the end, the show has to demonstrate that the system is ultimately sound and worth believing in, otherwise Matt’s work as a lawyer doesn’t mean anything.
Just finished watching the last episode, and hubby and I really enjoyed it.
Does anyone have any theories on who Madam Gao really is? When she said she was going home, she told Owlsley that it was much farther away than China, which is about as far from NYC as you can get on this planet. Also, she said that she speaks ‘all languages’, which made me wonder if she was referring to the All-Speak, and was possibly Asgardian?
squeeeee !!!
The difference is in the douche factor and the whiny women (and men, come to think of it). DD is quite a bit lower in both those areas than Arrow.
I am still baffled as to what the original motivations are for everyone. What is Hell’s Kitchen that they want to save it from developers who seem to be offering fair and better money for what seems to be a slummy area. And why would those same developers, who seem to be dealing with the last holdouts in the apartment building then not apply to the courts to force the remaining reluctant sellers to sell? It’s not as if one person can prevent the sale of a whole apartment building. There seems to be no reason, Fisk, who very much wants to remain anonymous, to send in head breakers to force people out when he could do it legally with minimal repercussions.
The prevailing theory is that she’s the Crane Mother, a villain from the Iron Fist comics. Her reference to a place farther than China is thought to refer to K’un Lun, the mystical place where Iron Fist learned kung fu. (I think. Haven’t read Iron Fist and am reporting all this secondhand.) Not sure what her polyglot nature is supposed to imply.
I think she’s going to be the/a link to the Iron Fist show. She’s from Kun’Lun the magical Asian-y realm where Iron Fist gets his training.
Hell’s Kitchen is a real neighborhood in New York City, specifically on Mahattan Island, and for a long time was the last bastion of real estate prices anywhere near reasonable in the area (in the real world it’s getting very gentrified and pricey). It’s slummy, but people who are less than obscenely wealthy can afford to live there while also being in Manhattan. Thus, it would be attractive to, for example, two lawyers without a lot of start up money
who want to start their own practice.
While I am not conversant with NYC law, it is a common plot device for exactly that to happen - one last hold-out tenant prevents the sale of a building. I’m assuming some tenuous connection to actual reality here.
Also, we’re talking about renters, not owners - these are rental units, not condominiums or co-ops.
As a background - when Daredevil first debut in the mid-1960’s, the real Hell’s Kitchen was a seething pit of crime and slums. Or at least a bad neighborhood. When they updated it for the Netflix series there was the issue that the real-life Hell’s Kitchen has considerably gentrified (and, despite attempts to re-name it, it apparently still is largely referred to as “Hell’s Kitchen”). Oh, wait - didn’t Marvel just trash part of NYC in the Avengers? Let’s drop a reference to “the incident” and blame that for the crime, rebuilding, etc.
On the whole wrapping up the organisation piece, one of the pieces was seeing a secretary or similar at the Bugle being arrested, presumably she was the person who was keeping an eye on Ben Urich and feeding his story info back to the Kingpin.
Would her actions have been a criminal matter though? It’s not like she held public office. Sure the Bugle could take civil action, but what law would she have broken?
It’s not tenuous. Mrs. D_Odds works in property management, and has many stories of holdouts who refuse to vacate, even when it is just temporary to modernize old buildings. Also, NYC is very tenant-friendly. Evictions in NYC are difficult and expensive and most importantly, time consuming, even in cases of non-payment.
^This. The name of the heroin she was selling is also an Iron Fist reference.
Throw in Nobu, who was clearly a member of The Hand, and you wonder how Fisk fell in with so many bad eggs. Next we’ll learn Wesley was from Latveria or something.