Darth Vader vs Victor Von Doom--for all the marbles

All the minions are dead. Assassin robots & mutated horrors slain.
Both the Star Destroyer & Castle Doom are in flaming ruins.

On a hill just outside the Latverian border, to armored figures square off.

The air reeks with E-vil. (Which is *like *“evil”, but, ya know…evil-er.)

Doctor Victor Von Doom–mad scientist, sorcerer, wearing powered armor bristling with exotic weaponry. But with no particular training in personal combat (no evidence of martial arts, etc).

His opponent-

Darth Vader, a Dark Lord of the Sith—master of a dozen martial arts, trained as Jedi & Sith, possessed of Force abilities unprecedented in Galactic history, winner on a thousand worlds. Armed with a lightsabre, & the Dark Side of the Force.

Who lives to go on to conquer this mudball the inhabitants call “Earth”?

How many DoomBots does Doom get to bring along with him to the fight?

Very evenly matched (Force = magic). So I’ll go for ‘both die, good wins by default’ TYVM.

All bots caput, along with Stormtroopers.

The first one to fire is probably going to win, but if they have time to prepare, I’d give it to Doom. He’s light-years smarter and more imaginative than Darth Vader.

I’ll say Vader forcechokes him to death

Doom. Vader’s dumber than a bag of rocks. The only reason he looks bright is that everyone in the Star Wars universe is dumber..

Vader: Ah. Von Doom. A worthy adversary. I will make your end swift and painless.
Doom (points down and behind Vader): ooooh! Look! Something shiny!
Vader: Really? Where? Is it pretty? (turns around)
Doom: (casually summons a demon to eat Vader’s soul and uses nano-tech to turn Vader’s body into grey goo)

Besides, Vader can’t DO anything to Doom. Doom can’t be mind-controlled*, he can swap bodies if his gets too damaged**, he can shrink into the microverse, teleport, and his magic powers have recently been boosted to near Doc Strange levels when he made his leather armor from his girlfriend’s skin.

Vader? Has a lightsaber that’s almost as good as the one that The Black Knight carried around for a while (and Doom regularly whumped on him), has mind-powers that aren’t as versitile or powerful as Professor X (and Doom certainly reverse enginered the anti-psychic stuff in Magneto’s helmet for his own), Vader can make big Jedi jumps, but Doom can fly. He just has to hover out of range and blast away. Plus Doom is strong enough to go toe-to-toe with the Thing. Vader’s armor is like tinfoil by comparison.

*Learned from the Oviods(?)
**Also learned from the Ovoid(?)

Vader FTW. YMMV. Of course.

I think Fenris covered this pretty well. There’s a big difference between the power level of Vader, who is the bad guy dealing with a bunch of mostly-normal people, and Doom, who is the bad guy dealing with lots of super-powerful people.

Or to put it another way, imagine Luke Skywalker vs. The Fantastic Four. No contest.

On the other hand, Doom has his hands full maintaining his grip on just a tiny eastern European mini-state, while Lord Vader rules thousands of worlds and organizes a military so large that their ships are built in a planetary scale. Doom may have more power, personally, but Vader is the greater strategist. In a simple one on one combat Doom may come out ahead, but Vader is unlikely to allow that to happen. Let’s see Doom try to defend Latveria from a battlestation the size of a moon which can destroy the entire planet from three orbits out.

1-3 issues later, there’s a splash page of Doctor Doom sitting in a throne in the bridge of the Death Star.

“And now, the Universe belongs to DOOM !”

Because that sort of thing is what ALWAYS happens when Doctor Doom is involved.

Doom is, however, one man; he has servants and the like, but not many, and they don’t fight his battes for him, and there’s practically no people he’d consider allies. Whereas Darth Vader is the servant of the guy who rules thouands of worlds, and those thousands of worlds require billions upon billions of government, armed forces, and the like. It’s not comparable - take away the aid of Latveria, and Doom is not really affected; take away the aid of the Empire, and Vader is considerably wounded.

It’s not a mark of a greater strategist to have a vast support system simply gifted to you. You could claim Palpatine as a great strategist due to the existence of the Empire, but not Vader.

According to Wookiepedia, Vader is about as 8/10 as powerful as Palpatine, but if he was not injured then he would be about twice as powerful, and one of if not the most powerful force user in the Star Wars universe. Might Vader/Anakin win if he wasn’t injured?

It’s not about raw power. It’s about mind and ego. Doom has the will of Doom. Anakin… gets led about.

Doom routinely fights a pastiche of Satan. And survives. Vader just isn’t in his weight class. Now, Doom versus Palapatine? That’s a fair fight. (I truly salute the Palpatine of the new Trilogy. One of the few good things about it.)

Doctor Doom. It’s not even close.

If Reed Richards were blind-folded, drunk, and recently lobotomized, Luke could beat him. Otherwise, the only question is what clever way Reed will clock him.

If Luke caught Johhny Storm off guard long enough to use the Jedi mind trick, Luke might survive the fight.

But Luke against Sue is a massacre. I think she’s strong-willed enough to overcome the mind trick, and once she realizes he was trying tofuck with her head, she’s simply going to take away the light sabre with a force-field pincer, put Luke in a bubble, and drop him in the hudson.

And Luke against Ben? Ben is going to (a) break free of the mind trick fairly quickly, and (b) be moved into a murderous rage by the use of the mind trick in the first place. After that, it’s just a matter of cleaning Jedi smear off his boots.

You misspelled “panels.”

This is definitely not an insignificant reason, and one of the few things I thought the prequel trilogy (especially Revenge) really did right - show how gullible Anakin/Vader really is. Didn’t take much time or real effort on Palpatine’s part to make Vader his puppet.

And it really didn’t take much for Luke to turn him back - Vader has this need to please everyone around him, so Luke played off of that - even sacrificing himself if needed, to get him turned back to the Light

The thing everyone seems to forget when considering Vader as a villain is that the best villains are leaders in their own right. Vader has NEVER been a leader - Vader is a servant - a completely different character makeup, something that Doom would ruthlessly exploit.

Doom is at least as charismatic and psychologically manipulative as Palpatine and could win without firing a shot - not only win, but wind up having Vader do his bidding!

“Which way to the command deck? Doom will not ask a second time.”

The Imperial stormtrooper kicked feebly in Viktor von Doom’s armoured grip, suspended a foot from the floor by his throat. His blaster lay on the floor beneath him. The faint, darkened smudge on Doom’s armour where the blaster bolt had been deflected was invisible amidst the dozens of other such smudges. Doom’s victim, unable to make more than strangled choking noises, pointed in the direction of a sealed, mag-locked door further down the smoke-filled passageway.

The stormtrooper’s throat snapped with an audible crack and Doom tossed the broken man away. Doom strode down the corridor, arrogant and heedless, his green cape fluttering behind him in his wake. The door he faced was iridium steel, two feet thick and blast-shielded, designed to withstand the impact of batteries of turbolasers. Beneath his mask, Doom’s scarred face twisted in contempt.

“Fools. None may stand against Doom.”

Doom raised a gauntlet and a harrowing beam of power, nova-bright, lanced out against the portal. Metal heated first red-hot, then white and ran in molten streams. Blue arcs of electricy played harmlessly about Doom’s armour as the magnetic shielding of the command deck door overcharged and exploded. Finally, the last barricade against the might of Doom slumped to the floor, sputtering and glowing with heat. Doom crossed the threshold in a swirl of superheated smoke.

A fusillade of blaster fire met Doom as he entered the great, vaulted command deck of the Imperial Super Star Destroyer “Venomous.” Though hardly necessary, Doom triggered his personal shield; the combined blaster fire of entire squads of stormtroopers had not penetrated his armour and the command crew’s sidearms were hardly likely to succeed where the more powerful blaster rifles had failed. Still, Doom would take no chances at his moment of triumph. Too often had he been thwarted just when final victory seemed firmly within his steely fist. His shield aborbed the blaster bolts effortlessly and used the energy to replenish the batteries in Doom’s armour.

“You dare to fire upon Doom? Then perish, dolts!”

Twin, ruby-red, ravaging beams of scintillating power thrust murderously from the eyeholes in Viktor von Doom’s mask, playing across the hapless command officers of the Venomous, reducing them instantly to smouldering dust. The command deck resembled nothing so much as the vaulted and buttressed cathedral of some church dedicated to the worship of science and death. Doom strode down its central aisle, his terrible eyebeams darting back and forth as the officers scrambled desperately for cover, any cover, which might protect them from the wrath of Doom; there was none to be found.

In less than two minutes, Doom stood alone on the central parapet of the command deck. The screams had ceased some time before.

Tiny, snakelike wires whipped from Doom’s gauntlets, integrating themselves into the circuitry of the control panels before him. His first act was to patch himself into the great ship’s communication system.

“Doombots report.”

“Engine room captured,” came the voice of a Doombot, identical to Doom’s own. “Losses to Doombot squad alpha minimal. All resistance neutralized.”

“Weapon control captured. Doombot squad beta at sixty-four percent capacity. Resistance diminishing. Losses within acceptable operational perameters.”

Viktor von Doom allowed himself a moment’s pleasure as he reflected on his victory. When his sensors had detected the great ship entering Earth’s solar system, Doom knew that it represented both danger and opportunity. The sheer scale of the ship of awesome, larger than anything Doom had encountered since the unthinkably gargantuan Worldship of the planet-eating Galactus. The Venomous was a Super Star Destroyer, a ship easily the size of a small continent, and possessing firepower which could wither a world in minutes. Doom had quickly gathered a contingent of every Doombot he could spare and organized an assault on the vessel. Power and might such as this ship must belong to no one save Doom.

Three small, stealthy shuttles had sufficed to get Doom and his doppelganger robots close enough to make entry through its hull. The Super Star Destroyer had a crew of thousands, including a large assault force of battle-hardened stormtroopers; against Doom they had been as wheat before the scythe. And now that his battle armour’s suite of electronics had infiltrated the command systems of the Venomous, the great ship was his. Battle against his Doombots still flickered in places. With a thought, Doom voided those sections of the ship into space. Silence settled over the Venomous.

A red light lit on the command panel before Doom.

It took a few seconds for Doom, unfamiliar with the alien technology, to interpret the meaning of the signal. In that time more red lights ignited on more panels. Doom, frowning now, sent querying commands into the panel. Surely there must be an error. The information he seemed to be receiving could not possibly be correct. On the immense display screen at the apse of the deck’s cathedral first one ship materialized from hyperspace and then another. And another. And another. They appeared faster than even the great mind of Viktor von Doom could count. And still they came, hundreds and then thousands of ships, many of them as large or larger than the Venomous itself, a fleet of such magnitude as to beggar the combined might of the Kree and Skrull empires combined. The stars themselves were eclipsed behind the dark majesty of the Imperial Fleet.

“No! No!” The fist of Doom slammed down upon the steel command panel, smashing it to smoking shards. This could not be! Surely Doom could not be so neatly trapped!

On the screen, a featureless and sinister black mask appeared, glass eyes hidden in the shadow of a smooth black helmet. Heavy, machine-assisted breathing echoed out into the cavernous chamber of the Venomous’ command deck. Lord Vader’s voice, when it came, was as cold and mechanical as any Doombot’s:

“My Master was correct; there was indeed danger in this insignificant system. Surrender or be destroyed. Order will be restored. You are now a prisoner of the Empire.”

[Insert the Imperial March, fade to black.]

“Viktor Von Doom is no one’s prisoner!”

“Then feel the wrath of the Dark Side of the Force!”

Doom felt a tendril of energy probing at his thoughts, first subtle, then more insistent. So this is the game you wish to play? You have much to learn if you wish to bring Doom under your heel. He easily brushes the probe aside, but it returns with even greater power, battering, but not breaking, his mental defenses. Instead, Doom follows the psychic link back to its source and easily slips behind his foe’s own barriers.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.”

“Your mother’s dead, son. Accept it.”

“You don’t need guidance, Anakin. In time, you will learn to trust your feelings. Then, you will be invincible.”

"I can feel your anger. It gives you focus. It makes you stronger. "

As Doom continued his own probe, one voice kept getting stronger and stronger.

“Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi.”

“Lord Vader… rise.”

“It seems in your anger, you killed her.”

“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

The link between the two adversaries slammed shut. On the viewscreen Vader staggered back as if hit with a mighty blow

“Palpatine”, Doom thinks, “THIS is the person who I must defeat if I am to gain supreme dominion. And this Vader will be my conduit to him.” He lashes out with an all-out assault on the psyche of Vader. Exultant, Doom finds the key to the Darth’s lock and turns. “Vader…Skywalker…you are now at the command of DOOM!”

All this takes but mere heartbeats. As the fleet of Imperial Ships begin to turn on the Venomous, Doom commands his new puppet to have them stand down.

“Halt! I believe the Emperor will want to see the new commander of this vessel…personally. Alpha and Beta squadron, form an escort for the Venomous and see that no harm comes to its crew. Guard them as you would me.”

After Venomous receives the destination coordinates, the battlefleet turns as one and drops into hyperspace.

Doom smiles behind his impassive mask as he speeds toward his destiny.