It’s about ninety times better than Agents of SHIELD, so I’m pretty pleased. Not as good as the Flash or Supergirl.
If Constantine does indeed join the team as is being reported, this show will go from a solid B- to and A- at worst.
It better get renewed and it better get Constantine.
But not if they have his body, surely. Then, that one would just reanimate (I mean, it’s not like a new Savage grows from every eyelash he sheds), and they could at least sequester him away in a cell or something, until they get the magic dagger so Kendra can end him. Or hell, just wait—as I understand it, Savage needs to kill the Hawkcouple in order to keep his immortality, so presumably, if he fails to do that, he’ll become killable, no?
Anyway, that also kind of bugged me about the last episode. According to all they’ve shown in-show thus far, they’d won at that point—but just left instead. Didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Can they not just throw him into deep space somehow?
Didn’t they have the dagger during the ceremony with Hawkman’s body, though? Wasn’t it the dagger Hunter was holding to his throat at the end? I thought they were like 99% capable of killing him right then and there until Kendra was all, “Oh, but I’m too weak to even try!”
And speaking of reincarnation, it kind of killed the drama of Ray trying to obliterate all the dagger shards in her body when she can reincarnate. Was there a clause that she only reincarnates if Vandal Savage kills her directly? Otherwise, whoops, missed a shard, guess somebody else’ll have to catch her and Carter next time around. I mean, yeah, you should save her if you can, but it seems silly to be so concerned about preventing something that’s happened literally 400+ times before with little consequence.
Yeah, yeah, Savage gets a little stronger every time he kills them. But how much, and to what end? Even if he becomes only 1 percent stronger every time, he’s now 400 percent stronger than he was in ancient Egypt. What happens now? Can he eventually become so powerful he can’t be killed by Hawkpeople and the dagger? Can he reach the point where even Superman couldn’t kill him? What’s the point of all this??
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It has to be that dagger and wielded by Hawkwoman.
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No, since reincarnation takes a while and you dont come back as you, exactly.
- I know Hunter couldn’t have killed Savage, but it’s not like Hawkgirl was completely unavailable. She was there, in the ship’s sickbay. They also had the dagger. The gang couldn’t bring Savage’s body over to her for some attempted stabbing? As Half Man Half Wit said, they just left his body there, and then Hawkgirl had that lame line about “not being up to take him on right now.” It wasn’t like she was going to have to fight him. He was unconscious.
I’ve rewatched the scene and it turns out that while Savage has the Amon Dagger there at the ceremony, it’s knocked out of his hands during his fight with Hunter. Savage pulls a different blade out during the fight and it’s presumably this one that Hunter holds to his neck. But although Stein said something about wresting it from Savage’s hand, it seems no attempt was made to find it in the room. They just up and abandoned the body and the dagger because shrug oh well.
- Yeah, it takes a while, which is why I said someone else would have to help her and Carter next time they reincarnated. And I understand she doesn’t come back exactly as she used to be. But considering she’s died literally 400 times before, almost certainly none of those ways pleasant, why is so troubling if she dies this time? It can’t be worse than what she’s already experienced before and come back from.
But shouldn’t it be calculated as compound interest? So he would be something like 5300% stronger, wouldn’t he?
This week on Arrow: Speedy struggles with the consequences of denying her bloodlust for so long. Oliver asks “Why isn’t Sarah affected by the bloodlust?” to which Ra’s al Ghul responds “Because John Constantine made her whole…”
This week, on DCLOT: Sarah struggles with trying to repress her bloodlust.
IT’S THE SAME FUCKING WRITING TEAM! GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!
This show has potential, some very fun people to watch here, I’m looking at Captain Cold, the Canary, and even Rip, but I’m not a big fan of the “only one villain, no chance for success” format. Like an old 80’s cartoon.
Random musing, if Savage keeps killing the Hawks over and over every time they re-incarnate, how many incarnations before they realize they really suck at this? Maybe they could start a policy of committing suicide before he can find them, thus denying him the energy he needs. Not like fighting him has ever done them any good.
Does Wentworth Miller talk like that or is it a thing he does for Captain Cold? I am wondering if he regrets saying his lines in such an odd voice. He is almost approaching Penguin levels of weird-voice.
Yeah, that’s what I thought too. One percent flat each time is the bare minimum I’d expect. Really, though, shouldn’t he be unkillable by now?
Then again, I understand his thirst for killing them again and again better if each time only grants him a weak power-up.
Yeah, this bothered me, too.
As a handwave, we can say that Ras (really, just Malcom “make shit up” Merlin) doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Or that “made her whole” is just shorthand for “made it so her life isn’t in danger, but she still has the bloodlust.”
I’d imagine the amount of power he gains each time would have to be fixed, unless the Hawk-couple also gets stronger each time they reincarnate (which does not appear to be the case.) In that case, it would not compound.
But it works however the writers say it works, and I’ll be happy as long as they keep it consistent (which I completely do not expect)
I liked the show to start, but it’s bothering me more and more how blasé they are about what it takes to kill Savage. No one is even QUESTIONING it. At least Palmer should suggest encasing him in concrete and heaving him into the ocean or tossing him into space, if only for Hunter to handwave some answer why it wouldn’t work.
So, episode 5—Rip’s got a gun to Savage’s head, Kendra’s right there with them in the same room—shouldn’t that have been it? I mean, again? Or did they forget the magic dagger on the ship? You know, whoopsie, I thought you had it?
I agree, it’s fun, and Captain Cold and White Canary are my favorites, especially their burgeoning friendship and respect. I liked Cold being dissuading her from killing Professor Stein.
I do hope that they end up killing Savage at the end of the season by all coming together as a team, and then get other villains for the future. Because he’s not a great villain, and it’s already silly with how they haven’t been able to kill him, and it will get even worse the longer the show is on.
If the show was even sillier, they could do a montage of all the times that the Hawks have tried to kill Savage and failed. That would be darkly funny.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched Prison Break, but I’m pretty sure he’s putting on a bit of a voice as Captain Cold. I think it fits with how he would be saying almost everything snidely.
Yeah, I was wondering why it’s not even questioned. Or why Rip went back to ancient Egypt one time to try to kill him and failed, but doesn’t take his team back to try to kill him there. In modern times he’s pretty powerful from getting so much lifeforce from the Hawks, and he has lots of lackeys and henchmen the team has to deal with. But in ancient Egypt I’m pretty sure he was much less powerful. Or there must have been a time between then and now where he would just be some guy in a hut somewhere with limited resources. Seems like something that should at least be mentioned and hand-waved away if needed.
If one of the team’s attempts to kill Savage succeeded, wouldn’t it be a paradox as Savage would now NOT have killed Rip’s family, thus negating the reason he formed the team in the first place? Seems like the future is the only time period they could safely kill him. Or I could be mistaken. Ugh…my head already hurts. 
There’s already precedent that time travel in this universe is wonky, given the way they dispensed with Flash’s big bad at the end of season 1 by killing his ancestor which wiped him from existence, but didn’t do anything to undo any of the stuff he did, nor remove any memory of him, nor even wipe him out of existence so much that he didn’t show up again in season 2 in what was (to him) a previous time travel excursion.
To be consistent with that, killing Savage for good in the past will just make his future self at the point Rip left from suddenly vanish, but not undo the bad stuff Savage did to the world at all, nor bring back Rip’s wife and brat.
Not that I expect they’ll be consistent, if the show ever gets to that point.
I have now given up after episode 3. Dialog was just plain stupid (conversation between Firestorm and Dr Martin was so trite, I couldn’t take it anymore.) And there are too many characters for any of them to have much of a role. Too bad, I was hopeful.