So all but 3 got worse in the post-season. The average of these numbers is just less than -4.5 So Manning is roughly 3 points worse than you would expect to him to be in a pretty flawed stat to begin with. Is that your case that he is choker? I would note that right below Manning on that list is Brady. Choker as well?
What’s the change in Kurt Warner’s passer rating when you only consider the seasons where he’s made the playoffs? He’s had some pretty awful years which would only count towards his regular season passer rating.
Now I don’t think that Peyton was the reason for the Colts’ loss. But I do note that Brady has won more Super Bowls than him. And Brees is FUCKING MORE ACCURATE THAN AN OLYMPIC ARCHER.
Now I’m not a Saints fan, or anything, but I’m just sayin’…
This is kind of beautiful right here. If we judge by passer rating alone, Peyton Manning in the playoffs is 92 percent as good as Peyton Manning in the regular season, and Tom Brady in the playoffs is 91.6 percent as good as regular-season Brady. And Manning’s passer rating is a little better to start with.
Of course we shouldn’t judge by passer rating alone and everybody knows the truth here: Brady’s been the better playoff QB, and Manning has definitely not lived up to his abilities in the playoffs. Is he a choker? I think that’s oversimplifying.
Here is your data on Kurt Warner, Rysto:
1999: -9.2 (100 playoffs, 109.2 regular season)
2000: -14.4 (83.9 vs. 98.3)
2001: -14.7 (86.7 vs 101.4)
2008: +15.3 (112.2 vs. 96.9)
2009: +36 (129.1 vs. 93.2)
That show should be arrested for some of the comparisons it makes; every episode I’ve ever seen has contained at least one ridiculous but implicit untruth. Wikipedia says that the distance in Olympic archery is 70m. So Brees is more accurate than an Olympic archer, provided that he’s a little more than a quarter of the distance from the target.
Not that it isn’t impressive that he kept hitting that damn spot, but there’s a reason that claim sounded preposterous.
It’s worth pointing out that Brady’s last playoff game was a trainwreck, and the one before that (the Superbowl) wasn’t so hot either. Not a huge difference, of course, but his dropoff shrinks to around -4.5 before his last two playoff games.
Those of us not blinded by postering probably realize that the “feast” vs “getting beat up” dichotomy might just possibly be referring to:
117-59 Regular season record (66.5%) – (71.3% if you throw out his rookie year)
9-9 Playoff record (50%)
No, the thought behind your contentless reply is what was empty.
That’s hilarious. I mean, I TRY to keep my rabid fandom of the Kansas City Chiefs in check, but I must have just let it run rampant in this thread. Please continue - you were in the midst of cherry-picking out which games Tom Brady sucked in so as to boost his numbers so that your argument wasn’t being undermined…
Yeah, maybe I got out of line on this one.
All I’m saying is that Peyton’s success in the regular season is far out of proportion to his success in the postseason. I mean, even his little brother has a better playoff record and did more to earn his Superbowl MVP. Don’t forget that it took Peyton six years to win his first playoff game despite putting up great records four out of the first five.
Brady’s performance in the SB was pretty amazing considering the total collapse of the Patriots line that game. He was hit or pressured almost every single throw yet still did enough on his part to win the game.
One thing I havent seen said that I think is worth mentioning: Peyton Manning has one the the biggest home/away difference in rating in NFL history. Playing in a dome for more than half his games over his career is unquestionably an advantage over a QB playing half his games in the windy snowy northeast. Also Brady spent most of his career without all star receivers, and as such, the Patriots game plan was much more of a short pass oriented one, which Brady ran to perfection. When Brady finally got his top notch receiver, he set all kinds of passing records.
I’m not knocking Manning at all, I’m just saying, when you put these things into the mix, you cant just judge your QB on passing yards. The QBs purpose is to win, something that Brady and Manning have done equally over their career, with Brady having not just an edge, but a huge edge, in the postseason.
Are you a Giants’ fan by any chance? That’s the only possible reason I can see for listing Eli on a top 10 list. You’d pick him over Aaron Rodgers? Insanity.
In fairness, Eli has proven to be a capable QB while Rodgers is still somewhat banking on potential. Granted his potential looks way higher than Eli’s, but one point in Eli’s favor is that he no longer has to prove himself. (I am a Giants fan.)
I don’t buy it on Eli. I don’t see him has having proved anything. I don’t put the ring as down to him. I’ll buy him as a middle of the pack NFL quarterback, but there are plenty I would take ahead of him on shown talent (and I would include Rodgers in that group) as well as on potential.
You could argue that the defensive line collectively earned the MVP more than Eli, but no one player earned that win more than Eli. Not even Justin Tuck.
Remember that the Superbowl didn’t happen in a vaccuum. The reason they got to the Superbowl in the first place is because Eli went on a tear in the postseason, including outplaying Favre and managing the cold much better than Favre in the NFC Championship game. Eli was also Mr. Goddamn Superclutch against the Cowboys in the Divisional round, and outplayed Jeff Garcia in the Wildcard round.
What has Rodgers ever done in the playoffs? No doubt he will do great things, but as I said his value is still all on potential. Eli has already stepped up and been the man no matter how badly his detractors want to devalue his performance.
Hey. You keep trotting out your damn ‘facts’, and I’ll remember that Brees is more accurate than a FUCKIN’ OLYMPIC ARCHER, okay? We cool?