Yes, Soapbox Monkey, you horrible, AWFUL person. How dare you have any standards about the people you plan on dating? And, how dare that standard be something as substantial as not wanting to date someone who does drugs, instead of something superficial, like, she doesn’t weigh 97 pounds and look like a supermodel? What’s wrong with you? :rolleyes:
Congrats on your choices. After watching my marriage go south because my bartender husband insisted “I’m just a social drinker! What’s the problem??” (As he drank our rent money, our bill money, and basically any and every other dime I had put aside), I wish I had been a bit more forceful. His friends had the same attitude, and were reinforcing it. I was the evil bitch who was dragging him down for wanting him to be responsible to me and our kids.
WTF??? Where are you getting your information, Dr. Leary? Junkies Monthly? That is perhaps the most ridiculous justification of LSD use I’ve ever heard. I think it even beats “well, I didn’t mind thinking I was a tree…”
Insecurity - yes; naive-definitely; inferiority - no. The poor kid is just a kid, and sounds to me like he’s had a sheltered life. At 19, I thought pretty much the same way. At the ripe old age of 42, I cut a whole lot more slack. I still have my standards, and did break off 2 budding romances because the girls smoked. However, having tilted a bottle or burned a fat boy in the past would not turn me away, and lack of virginity would be a plus at my age
Occasionally indulging in altered states of consciousness does not equate to “spending extended periods of time phased out or in a vegetative state” or being in a “mental state where it would be difficult to communicate”. Most of my drug experiences involve communication as a major factor. You can even be a “spiritual guide” for your SO as she learns about herself and her life.
Anyway, I can only think of a couple of times where I’ve been literally unable to communicate because I was too stoned or strung out or whatever, and that passed after about 15 or 20 minutes each time. Of course, I don’t do hard drugs, so that may have something to do with it. Actually, as a frame of reference, I’ll list to you all the drugs I’ve done: marijuana, alcohol, nicotine, salvia, nitrous oxide, hyoscyamine sulfate (one-time thing, prescription stomach relaxant meds), DXM (yes, it’s the recreational drug in cough medicine, but it’s perfectly safe if you find meds that don’t have other drugs in them–it’s the other drugs, like guiafenasin and pseudoephedrine, that endanger people when they take them at high doses), Wellbutrin and Dexedrine (speed) (last two were both prescription, I accidentally took a double dose because my mom unwittingly made me think I hadn’t taken any that day–that was my first ever ‘trip’, and the experience that eventually led to my becoming an occasional drug user).
The experiences in which I couldn’t communicate were a combination pot/salvia/nitrous experience and a couple other nitrous experiences. But nitrous and salvia only gets you high for 5-20 minutes at a time, so as I said before, it passed.
Judgemental? Where in the hell are you getting judgemental out of the OP’s posts? He’s never said anything negative about the party crowd, just that it’s not something he’s interested in either engaging in himself or dealing with in a potential SO. The only judgement going on around here is by said party crowd. So perhaps some of us should remove the branches from our own asses before noting the twigs in our neighbors’, eh?
Soapbox, there’s tons of social stuff that doesn’t involve alcohol and drugs on the typical college campus. There are tons of activity-related clubs whose gathering revolve around, well, activities. They’re great places to make friends who will then introduce you to their friends, invite you to their parties, etc. Our Baptist Student Union was constantly sponsoring drug-and-alcohol-free events at which everyone was welcome, regardless of religious belief. The school itself sponsored a handful of stuff like that every semester. Those are all great places to meet and mingle. Shit, a lot of people I went to school with met SO’s waiting for the unspeakably slow elevators in our dorms. That’s how I met the chick who introduced me to Dr.J, in fact, and how she met the guy she dated for five years. There’s plenty of people who would suit you on campus, but they’re not going to come beating on your door begging you to come out and play.
I understand. I think that there are plenty of substances that should be legal, but regulated, rather than this stupid War on Drugs we have going. I’m just not interested in anything harder than a bit of alcohol, and I’m finding myself headed back to none of that as well. Nothing against anyone, some of my dearest friends tend bar well enough to so skillfully make me said Long Islands, just swinging myself back a bit.
You discussed knowing the dangers of using various drugs and how people with underlying mental conditions should probably avoid screwing with their brain chemistry for recrational purposes. I am one such. I’m okay, mostly, but what’s sitting in my skull is a bad trip waiting to happen, between the anxiety disorder and my impulses toward self control. i’ve managed to have bad drunks happen, I’m not going to test my luck with anything else. (Another reaons why I don’t do college parties. I am a sweet, happy darling drunk…as long as I trust everyone there. If something happens that I didn’t expect, or people I don’t know turn up I get paronoid and freak out. I know I’m not capable of handling decisions with my usual ability and I can’t handle it. I’m getting better about it, but generally, I either don’t drink in public or I limit myself pretty severely.)
And that’s terrible. But, just because some of us drink or do the occasional drug doesn’t make us horrible addicts like your husband. Some of us really are social drinkers, not alcoholics. I don’t appreciate the attitude that anyone who partakes is going to turn out like that.
I’m sorry, which part of my post said you would? I said that was my experience, and I’m impressed that Soapbox Monkey has standards other than “is she skinny and perfect.” Relax. Just because you happen to enjoy recreational pharmaceuticals doesn’t mean my post was aimed at you.
First off, I don’t see why one needs to justify one’s decision to use LSD. I’ve never done it, but I may in the future, and I don’t think I need to justify my decision to use it to you, any more than you need to justify your decision to not use it to me. If someone doesn’t mind thinking they’re a tree, what skin off your ass is it?
Secondly, I get my information from scientific studies, fucker, so shove your Junkies Monthly shit up your ass. How bout you do a little research on the shit you claim to know so much about, instead of feeding us the unfounded bullshit the Drug Czar feeds you. Since I doubt you’re capable of finding it on your own, I’ll provide some helpful links for you:
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I’m sick and tired of people assuming that any information that doesn’t jibe with what the government has been telling them must be made up by some junkhead. Wise up, please, or at least don’t go spouting your bullshit without making sure you know what you’re talking about.
Silly me. And here all I have to go on are the continuing education classes I am required to take to maintain my R.N., studies performed by physicians with several years in the field based on actual patients with renal disease, liver failure, heart disease, ad nauseum. But, you’re right, Fetus. What do a bunch of doctors know? :rolleyes:
I’ll look forward to seeing you downstairs in the dialysis unit shortly.
There are certainly some people currently undergoing dialysis/liver transplant/ cardiac treatment due to prior drug use. This cannot possibly be news. However; in direct dispute to fetus’ coherent and mature argument, I did a 3 minute search on emedicine.com and came up with the following:
“LSD is the most potent psychoactive drug; doses as small as 1-1.5 mcg/kg can produce psychoactive effects. In extreme cases, side effects may include but are not limited to: respiratory arrest, coma, emesis, hyperthermia, autonomic overactivity, and bleeding disorders.”
I also looked into your links, fetus, and while I’m sure “dozens of people on the net” are a good enough source of reference (from here), I generally like a bit more background information about the people writing “scientific” studies.
Considering that this drug directly stimulates seratonin receptors, the main concern is a psychotic episode. And, as you pointed out, the pesky little problem there lies in knowing if the person taking the drug has any underlying psychoses. But, I’m sure everyone who takes it has at least a B.A. in psychology, and is able to self diagnose. Right?
No, not at all. I’m suggesting that your thread title seeks a response that is not mirrored in your OP. You have no SO, you have no intention of ever dealing with a SO who ‘does drugs’. In your OP you indicate a closed-minded attitude to a range of scenarios which might bring you into contact with those dreaded potential SOs who might do drugs. Close-mindedness leads to ignorance - the intent of this discussion board is to fight ignorance. Open-mindedness can fight ignorance.
I’m further suggesting that the discussion closed with your OP. You were trolling for affirmation. You were expecting all to respond with a ‘stick to your guns’ attitude. You were trolling for an ego-stroke. Again, expecting all to say ‘what a good little boy you are’. For the most part, that’s what you got. I provide a dissentient voice for a bit of balance.
The ‘Yawn!’ only came after I searched for other threads initiated by you and found that this is not your first troll for affirmation and an ego-stroke.
I just had an idea – Soapbox Monkey, how about if you join your college’s SADD chapter? [Students Against Drunk Driving] If there isn’t one, how about starting one?
Just MnsHO, I expect that SADD would attract the teetotaler crowd and not the drinking crowd.
Let me add further, that my original intent in this thread was to ask if people feel I am fucking myself over by being so closed minded and not wanting to date people who used drugs frequently.
In short answer, since I’ve been helping with the hijacks, nah, you’re good. Everyone has standards. I, having decided that if I ever want to get married I should start focusing on people who I actually have a shot at putting up with for 50 years or so, have started refusing to date people who don’t want kids. Does it limit the selection? Yes. But to people I may actually want to be with, so its okay.
Maureen, if you had not been so instantly dismissive of erowid, you may have read enough to find out that it oh, actually backs up your point. There does seem to be one documented case of a fatal LSD overdose, a man who mistook the drug for speed and injected approximately 350 times the estimated fatal dosage.
sugaree, I apologize for being dismissive…I just didn’t think that one website rebutting several physicians and clinicians’ work counted as hard and fast proof. Not to mention that, outside of the pit, I really don’t appreciate being addressed in the manner fetus was speaking. (not that I really appreciate it there, either. )
Dang, Indygrrl, what’s your dog in this fight? Ok, so you’re a party girl and it’s none too likely that SM is ever gonna want to date you. So what? After what I’ve seen of your posts, I wouldn’t want to either. But we’re none of us ever going to meet, so why the vehemance? No one here said that women who drink and smoke and maybe do a bit of weed are undateable skanks – all we’re saying is that they’re not everyone’s cup of tea.
As for the OP, I pretty much echo what a lot of the more reasonable posters have said – you shouldn’t eliminate someone as a friend based on their drinking or pot use. Particularly if they are moderate users and it isn’t affecting their studies, finances, or social life. The college years are often a time for experimentation and some people experiment more than others – usually they give up the wild partying after a while, or at least tone it down.
I do agree with one previous poster who observed that drunk people are, by and large, boring. Particularly if you are not also drunk. In my experience, sober person talking to drunk person just doesn’t work. * So there’s nothing wrong in not hanging around with partiers if you don’t find it interesting to do so. *
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