Actually, the quote I provided came from emedicine.com. I thought I said that.
Ah. Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.
I completely understand why you would want a non-drinking, non-smoke, non-drug using SO, Soapbox, and I think that if it’s important to you, it’s important to you. However, Eve is wise, and I’d suggest not closing any doors TOO firmly.
I have no problem with my guy drinking, although he does it socially and gets drunk fairly rarely. I would not be able to deal with a smoker as smoke aggravates my asthma. I would be very very very unhappy with a guy who regularly did illegal drugs, I don’t think I would stay with someone like that. However, if I was with a guy who did illegal drugs maybe twice/year, I think it would just be a fight we’d have twice/year, you know?
Yes, you are fucking yourself over by being closed-minded. No, you are NOT fucking yourself over by not wanting to date frequent drug users.
There’s nothing wrong with choosing not to date heavy drug users. But aside from that, you show a certain close-mindedness and a naivete beyond just being young.
I don’t know where or when the above usage, or wikipedia’s definition came about, or if perhaps the word has been “hijacked”, like “queer”, but I’ve heard of people getting Tee-Totaled since the seventies. It did NOT mean abstinence or anything straight edge, it meant getting hammered.
Examples please…
I’ve never heard the term used to mean “getting hammered”.
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to post. I myself never drank or used drugs throughout high school and college (although in retrospect, I wish I had been a bit more exploratory back then), but some of the most interesting and entertaining people I know did. Avoiding making friends with or dating people who drink/smoke pot/whatever occasionally is a mistake, in my opinion.
(And, as a bit of added unsolicited advice at no extra charge, if I were you, I’d try having a drink sometime. A drink or two (i.e. not getting drunk) is a great way to relax and socialize, and will help a lot with your nervousness about meeting and talking to girls. They don’t call it “social lubricant” for nothing.)
Do you have anything more than a quote from a website that I can’t get to without registering? I’d like to know just how common respiratory arrest, coma, emesis, hyperthermia, autonomic overactivity, and bleeding disorders are. Also the renal disease, liver failure and heart disease.
I understand the psychological dangers, but this is the first I’ve heard about serious physical problems being caused by LSD (and I’ve been paying attention). Some doctor on emedicine isn’t enough. Given all the WoSD propaganda, I need more convincing.
I don’t have anything against hanging out with people who drink or do drugs.
Would I want to hang out with them while they are doing the aforementioned substances? Fuck no.
I don’t drink enough to have a mental effect. I’m lucky if I finish a wine cooler in a night before giving up and going to Sprite or something. I’m not even sure I’d be able to identify the smell of pot. But that’s okay, I really don’t want to. Whenever I’ve watched drunk people, it is basically just to laugh at their actions. It’s hard to have a coherent conversation with a person who goes into giggling fits and has trouble not pissing on the toilet seat. That isn’t my idea of fun.
I’m just sick and tired of this stereotype that people are losers if they don’t drink and/or do drugs. I’m graduating this year, and everyone thinks I’m weird because I’d like a dry grad. I’m pretty damned scared about going to university this fall - I don’t want to be stuck in a party dorm.
I think my feelings are partly rooted in my anxiety of not being in control of how people react around me. If a drunk person tries to come on to me and won’t screw off if I tell them no, it’ll be a lot harder to convince them than if they were sober. If somebody is high and tries shoving a joint at me and I say no, it’ll be a lot harder to convince them to stop than if they were not high. I don’t like talking to people who aren’t in a sober state of mind. It bugs me. If I can’t reason with a person, I get scared.
Ugh. Sisyphus’ Stone’s first post made me so angry. Ding Ding Ding! Can we say ‘Defensive Druggy boys and girls?’ I knew you could!
People who don’t want their brains and personalities destroyed by pot etc are always called ‘uptight’ by Defensive Druggies like Sisyphus. Is that the best they can do? I’ve seen what pot and other drugs do to people. They turn into rambling, fuzzy minded, extremely boring human vegetables even when they aren’t stoned. I don’t want to be like that. God, I don’t ever want to be like that. If that makes me ‘uptight’ then guess what! I’m pleased and proud to be uptight!
You can make your defensive little outraged squawks about ‘lightening up’ and ‘being uptight’ all you like little druggie, but my mind is crystal clear and unimpaired and my personality unbroken and undamaged. Bet you can’t say the same for yourself.
I’ve just come out of a friendship with a druggie and she was the most fucking boring person I’ve ever fucking met. Her brain was turned to mush by that stuff. I am so glad that I never got involved in it. When you are outside that whole scene you see in crystal clarity just how that much that girl’s brain was destroyed by that stuff, it was like a maggot had eaten her brain inside like an apple. Ugh. All she could do was drone on about how spiritual everything was, but not in an interesting considered way, in a ‘ooooo loI ook at all the pretty colours man’ way. I tried to steer the conversation towards theology and actual real discussion about religious and spiritual traditions and she would ignore me and carry on droning on about 'I think god is everywhere and those indian gurus are so spiritual and theres a lof spirituality in Shakespeare -(uh no, actually there is sod all pretty much, Shakespeare was pretty materialist-cakes and ale and all that) and real unfocussed rambling shit (I can’t call it anything else) over and over and over again.
I don’t want to be like that. Ever. And I don’t want to be with anyone like that. According to people like Sisyphus I should just ‘lighten up’. fuck that shit. Not wanting anything to do with damaging unhealthy things like that has sod all to do with ‘uptightness’ or ‘lightening up’ it’s got everything to do with knowing what you want and what you will tolerate in your life. No defensive druggy has the right to judge that.
I wouldn’t want to be romantically involved with druggies either, as it happens my bf feels even more strongly than I do. FWIW I don’t care if a person wants to do drugs, it’s their life, their decision, but I don’t want anything to do with it. My life, My decision. And will I cry myself to sleep tonight because some defensive pothead thinks I’m bwa ha ha-“uptight”. I don’t give a fuck. I don’t envy them a bit. Rather you than me, little druggie, go home and hug your burned out mushy synapses, or what’s left of them…
ciao, from the land of the clear headed and psychologically healthy 
(and I am 31 so you can check that mind blowingly patronising 'you’re young and brainwashed and once you’re old and braindirtied and lightened up and uploose like me you’ll be Stoned All Teh Time Cos You’ve Seen Teh Light and oooo there’s a lot of spirituality in Shakespeare isn’t there…repeat to fade approximately 20432802 years later…) There aren’t enough rolleyes smilies in the universe to do that argument justice, maaaaaan. :rolleyes: )
But she’s not bitter or anything…:rollseyes: Yah, you had to see that one coming.
Stoner (etc.) girl (age 29) checking in here. Yes, you are limiting yourself, duh. But whatever, I say do what you feel. I have dated guys who didn’t smoke/do drugs and we had perfectly good relationships. The worst things that happened would be conversations like this on the way home after a party:
boyfriend: You’re drunk/stoned.
Me: (giggles) Yeah.
boyfriend: sigh
Then we’d go home and have sex anyway. So it didn’t really cause much strife. On the other hand, I am not your average zone-out stoner. In fact, I hang out with mostly non-stoners because I find that most stoners can’t keep up with me. They are, in fact, usually boring. But my friends (and boyfriends) can’t even tell when I’m high. So go ahead and make your standards but you may surprise yourself one day, and it’ll be OK.
Like, way to come across as all not uptight and judgmental, maaaan! Not a good advertisement for straightness…
The obvious question: How do you know her brain wasn’t already mush? How do you know it was the drugs that did it?
That said, it is true that some users get pretty f’ed up, sometimes permenantly, by their drug abuse. But some don’t.
But all people who make sweeping generalizations are idiots. 
Well, then, Yookeroo, I gotta say, I get the distinct impression that whatever I throw out here you’re going to dismiss as not enough evidence. This may come as a huge shocker, but facts continue to be facts, with our without your belief or support. Crying “CITE!” doesn’t change them. You really want to know, go look for it.
There are two reasons you’re unable to register at most health research sites. One is the Privacy Act of 1974 (people have this thing about their personal and medical information out there for the world to see). You have to be a healthcare professional able to provide credentials in order to access sensitive information. Do you honestly believe I’m going to compromise that, just to satisfy the curiosity of some stubborn person who’s to lazy to do their own research? The other is that, without any training whatsoever, people tend to be unable to correctly interpret and disseminate the information they’re reading. Do you have an M.D. or an R.N. or a PhD? If not, you may find it as difficult to understand as I do, say, programming. Not because you lack the intelligence, but because you lack the training.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
This is not Great Debates-post your response to the OP and move on.
*maybe if I tell them ten times, they’ll finally pay attention :rolleyes:
Thanks for the link, Hunter Hawk. I guess I’ll need to enlighten my mother on the correct usage.
/me posting my response and moving on
I’m sorry, I was just pretty steamed at the time–I didn’t appreciate being addressed in the manner you were speaking, either. You accused me of getting my information from “Dr. Leary” or “Junkies Monthly”, which I found extremely insulting, and also seemed to imply that people need to justify to you their decisions to use recreational drugs. Perhaps if you had said something like “I’m an RN, and I disagree with your claims, because of the research I’ve done for my classes” or something, instead of “Where did you get that information, Junkies Monthly?” I might have responded more civilly. I’m not blaming you for my reaction, I’m just telling you why I reacted that way.
Let me guess, you don’t play the sitar, do you?
In response to the OP: we need more guys like you around. I’m a college girl who doesn’t smoke, drink or do drugs. My close friends don’t either. I have no interest in ever smoking or doing drugs, and though I’ll almost definitely drink when I’m older, I have no interest in drinking to get drunk.
As far as dating someone, I don’t mind a smoker (even though I have rotten allergies) or someone who drinks rarely and responsibly (I haven’t met very many in college, but I don’t doubt that they exist). I would avoid dating a drinker or a drug user, but like Eve warned, I probably wouldn’t discount them if they were perfect for me in every other way. It’s something that I believe can only be taken on a case-by-case basis. However, it’s certainly not something I’d prefer.
As far as meeting people, though, I can’t really help. I go to a lot of local music shows. Even though I’m not into hardcore that much, I tend to meet a lot of people that are straight edge. A lot of people (both sincerely and sarcastically) brought up the subject of church functions. I don’t know anything about your religion or level of involvement, but that may be a good idea for you.
As far as being called “uptight,” eh, I don’t care. I don’t like reading fantasy novels or going to church either. It’s just not something I’m into.
Bolding mine… 
Loser…
And you called her… quote… “fucker”… AMONG other things…
Ummmm… REAL LIFE things aside… if you EVER say such a despicable, thoughtless, hurtful, spiteful, mean thing like that again, you are going to be sorry, you piece of trash!
Reading comprehension is SUCH a problem. :rolleyes:
What part of Registered Nurse do you NOT understand???
Do you think your “internet experience” is more valid than her four (or five… or six) YEARS of college study? Do you think some stoner’s site knows more than a fucking nurse? Or the Professors or DOCTORS she learned from? Pfffft! I am SPEECHLESS at the ARROGANCE, the IGNORANCE, the sheer STUPIDITY of your post!