Dear CNN: I Knew Kennedy was dead.

I’ve asked my 57 year old dad about this. He tells me that the Kennedys were as close to royalty as we’re ever going to see in this country, and that’s why everyone cares.

That’s when I ask myself, “Didn’t we fight a war a few hundred years ago because we didn’t like royalty?”

Yeah, that’s an overly simplistic view of the American Revolution, but dammit so is everyone’s memory of JFK. Everyone only remembers the good stuff. Most of the Boomers conveniently forget that he cheated on his wife and all the stuff about the Cuban Missile Crisis that Airman Doors so eloquently spoke of.

Like I asked in the GD thread about the JFK assassination, do we have to wait until the entire Baby Boomer generation is dead before we can move past this?

Your comments seems to summarize the thoughts of most of the posts in the thread.

I think there may be several issues that are tangled up together. One is the enormous amount of coverage that has been given to the assassination this week. I assume that it is because it is the 40th anniversary. (Brace yourself for ten years from now. You can run but you can’t hide. ;))

Getting one thing out of the way quickly. The explosions of the space shuttles and other deaths related to the space programs in no way compared to the shock the country went throuh in 1963. That’s why you don’t see programs them every year. It was much more like the WTC, but “moreso,” I think. IMO.

I agree with you that there seems to have been almost constant programming. I can imagine how someone who is far removed from that moment in history must feel. I watched a lot of the coverage, but not nearly all.

Every year I learn things I didn’t know. And recently I’ve begun to hear a lot of mischaracterization being put out – not about Kennedy, but about the reaction of people at the time and in the years following.

As long as SDMB continues to be about fighting ignorance, I will continue to speak my piece like everyone else. I respect everyone’s right to differ in their interpretation of the information. If I think someone is not being honest, I say so. If someone has a differing opinion, no big deal.

Just because it means something to me doesn’t mean that I expect it to be of any importance or meaning to you at all. You have as much right to your feelings of boredom and disgust as I do to my own feelings. And I can talk about them at SDMB with the handful of other people who have some insight into why it still matters to me after forty years.

In the thirteen months that I have been a participant here, I have never whined about how the younger generations’ need to get over this eternal fixation on the fantasy of The Matrix or LOTR. And it’s not because I’m out-numbered. It’s an old habit that I have of recognizing the differences among us and making some room.

Besides, I have three teenage grandchildren who are determined to make me watch every moment. (And I did give the oldest the Evenstar necklace for her 16th birthday and I was the only one that remembered that she wanted it. So I deserve a little credit. Cut me some slack!)

That’s pretty much it. You have failed utterly to convince me that your take on things is more worthwhile than mine. You keep your feelings. And I’ll keep the ones I’ve had since long before most of you were born.

You get a grip.

Hear, hear, Zoe. Folks, it was a NATIONAL TRAGEDY; presidents are not assassinated every day, you know. If you don’t care to watch the coverage, use that little device known as the remote and change the channel back to sports or MTV or whatever.
That’s my two cents from Dallas, TX.

Good one, Zoe. His presidency was an exciting time - the “torch was being passed to a new generation.” Maudlin, perhaps, but that’s how many felt.

Thudlow Boink: you rock.

I’m also old enough to remember The Day. Younger people won’t ever really get it, because news and the media are so different now. An assassinated president will never be as shocking again. It was much more like 9/11 in national shock, than any of the other tragedies since 1963.

But this week can be just as vexing for those of us who remember. I haven’t watched it all, but I don’t think I’ve seen a single thing that seems balanced, much less positive, about Kennedy. It is all debunking or conspiracies.

Oh, and don’t forget showing the Stone film today, just to cap it all off! :rolleyes:

Blonde, that was awesome about Jackie holding your sister. That was within an hour, you know. And you were there.

That cute girl from MTV with glasses died. Damn, I liked her.

Was this a sly reference to a 1983 SNL skit? Man, I loved that one!

For those who don’t remember: the skit was a sort of talk show. The year was 1983, and the show had three guests who were going to talk about their memories of the assassination 20 years earlier. The interview with the first guest went something like this:

“I was a freshman at Columbia University, and I was walking across campus, and I hear these two guys talking…”

“Excuse me, how old are you?”

“I’m 29. So I hear these two guys…”

“I’m sorry, you started college at 8 years old?”

“Oh, no, I was 18. Anyway, I hear these guys talking…”

“Wait, wait. You didn’t hear about the Kennedy assassination for 10 years?”

“…well, I was never really big on current events.”

Shortly the interviewer moves on to the next guest. “How did you hear Kennedy had been shot?”

“Well, this is a little embarrassing, considering what just happened here, but, um…he told me. Just before the show.”

And the final guest butts in. “Excuse me, are you talking about President Kennedy?” “Yes.” “Why, did something happen?” “He’s been shot.” “[sobbing] Oh, God! Oh, no, he’s been shot!”

As I recall, the players were Jim Belushi, Joe Piscopo, and Tim Kazurinsky. Don’t remember who the female guest was. Ah, that skit was classic…

I had a thing for her, I confess. Shame about her dying. She was president? COOL!

It happened before I was alive and no I don’t exactly get it, that is to say I cannot truly empathize, but I like to believe that I get that I don’t get it. Huh? Just because it isn’t part of my experince directly I don’t necessarily feel that other people should “get over it.”

I’m glad that documentaries about Kennedy and Castro, and Kennedy’s actual presidency are getting a little air time. That to me is 25 times more interesting than theorising over the whole JFK, Marilyn Monroe connection.

No one has ever once asked me where I was the day Squeaky Frohm tried to shoot Geral Ford, or where I was when I heard Reagan had been shot.

Zoe, I respect where you’re coming from and I understand that the Kennedy assasination still resonates with a lot of people who were alive at the time. But…

Many baby boomers seem to believe that their youth was a seminal period in American history that nothing else can touch. Woodstock was the most important musical event ever; the boomers invented sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll; they were the fresh-faced idealists who changed the world, etc. No other generation has been or will be as influential. Not all boomers project this attitude (certainly I’ve never gotten that impression from you, Zoe) but plenty of boomers do.

Frankly, as a younger person, I get sick of hearing it.

Oh, yeah, lots of issues. And sure I can hide - there’s this thing called the “off” button on the remote. I use it frequently.

Nice of you to gloss over Pearl Harbor like that - it was the WTC/JFK assasination of your parents day.

I’ll tell you how I feel - I feel that I “get” that it was a defining moment in our nation’s history and of great importance to my elders. I also feel that THEY don’t get that no, I really was not present for that moment. I don’t feel “far removed” from that time because that time had an enormous impact on our present world. I also do remember that late 60’s when the memory was still fresh and raw and hurting everyone. But it also strikes me that some of this constant wall-to-wall coverage is Boomer self-obsession at work. While the Boomers are a huge slice of the pie, the world does NOT revolve (entirely) around them, their “experience” and their lives. Or their children’s lives. There’s an entire demographic that falls between the Boomers and the Boomlet and frankly, we’re get a little steamed at being forgotten. LOTS of folks ask me how I feel about the “defining moment” of JFK’s assasination but no one asks me or my generation what OUR “defining moments” are.

Frankly, I am NOT convinced JFK was as wonderful a human being or president as I was taught in History 101. I have listened to arguments that we are better off with him having died young, and while I would never advocate offing anyone, much less a President, some of the arugments had some merit. I learned many years after grade school that he was NOT universally loved and admired, and that for many the shock was of the Presidential office being assaulted, NOT for the suffering and death of a human being who was gunned down in cold blood - and that, to my mind, is a tragic thing.

But don’t think that I hate the man - I do think him getting involved in the space program and to the moon was a good thing. The tragedy of the death of his prematurely born son was channeled into better research on the ills of the neonatal which has had some real benefits in the world. But the Pay of Pigs was a disaster and he was party to the Vietnam debacle. Granted, the judgement of Vietnam has been with 20/20 hindsight - I’m sure at the time his actions seemed logical and reasonable. But the whole “Camelot” thing was as false and wood veneer contact paper. The amount of deception that went on is not compatible with my ethics.

He was not a God but a man. False idolization and false demonization should stop. I’m tired of hearing about.

Most of all, I AM tired of the multitude of immortal conspiracy theories. Not every crime will be solved perfectly. I can handle it and get on with my life.

Ditto. And in a forum like the Dope it is easy to either just browse the relevant threads or ignore them completely. I have no problem with the on-going analysis of just what was Jackie chasing on the back of the Cadillac that fateful day, or the questions of the younger set who don’t know but are curious being answered by those who actually DO remember than day. What I am offended by (and if this was not clear then it was my miscommunication) is the overwhelming media (TV & newspaper) push-push-push of OMIGOD JFK WAS ASSASSINATED AND YOU MUST WATCH WATCH WATCH FOR 72 HOURS WHILE WE REHASH OLD WOUNDS AND ACUSE YOU YOUNG FOLKS BUSY MAKING A LIVING OF NOT CARING AND NEVER EVER EVER BEING ABLE TO JOIN THE CLUB OF REALLY UNDERSTANDING.

Let me express this another way: I felt that 30 dead and 400+ wounded in Istanbul should have been the banner on CNN rather than a 40 year old assassination. What’s happening NOW is what a news organization should emphasize, not what happened 40 years ago even if it WAS a pivotal moment in history. The bleeding and dying of the present take precedent over the bleeding and dying of the past when I tune into the news, at least in my mind.

Ah, see, it’s back to that - I have to be either as obsessed as my elders or else I must not care at all - I couldn’t possibly be in between. Yes, I understand it’s still very important, even painful, 40 years later. I am not indifferent to your feelings. But how would YOU feel if every time the first week in December rolled around it was wall-to-wall Pearl Harbor obliterating all other news of importance to you, down to who was sitting in the crapper the moment the Japs came over the hill? At a certain point the self-reflection turns into masturbation. If you are not partaking on that level, or even if you are, that’s fine with me as long as you don’t insist I have to come along. I’m tired of being criticized as a person or my credentials as an America questioned simply because I wasn’t present for a Very Important Moment in History.

Missed again - what you’re refering to is the generation AFTER mine. Which re-emphasize my point that MY generation is, literally, forgotten and overlooked. Got news for you Boomers - people came into existance between your birth and the birth of your children.

But that was never my intention at all. I merely expressed my feelings - it is YOU who think this is a confrontation.

Did you forget the “neener neener”? What’s your point? You’re older than me? So what? I did not post to convert anyone, merely to express my opinion. Which I have done.

Broomstick - reel yourself in, man! You’re directing entirely too much anger at the concept that some of us will elect to recognize the President’s assassination.
I am sorry that your generation doesn’t have a “defining moment” - feel free to consult the history books and come up with one. Let’s see - you’ve alluded that you’re of the generation prior to the Matrix , so I’ll assume you are 30 years old. Hmm…
I give up! There must be something unique to your generation, though. Really.

See, that’s just it.
Your post, Blonde is exactly the condensending additude Broomstick is referring to.

Assuming Broomstick is around my age, Kennedy doesn’t mean a thing to us. Sorry if our indifference offends you. Try as you might to explain how they were royalty, they simply weren’t to us. Jackie O is not a fabulous former first lady to me. I know her as the one who married Arri for his money - the one who strolled around central park in big glasses.

I respect that Kennedy was important to your generation, but try and understand that he meant nothing to ours. What I fail to see is how we can either care about ‘important’ stuff like a 40 year old presidential assasination… or we are brain dead morons who partake in Mtv as a source of entertainment.

Saying stuff like: go back to watching your Mtv or talking about the Matrix is pretty insulting, to say the least. Furthermore, to dismiss our generation entirely with “I give up! There must be something unique to your generation, though. Really.” takes the cake.

I think quite a few of us have emphasized with your generation and have been respectful. We’re simply saying we are tired of hearing about conspiracies, blah blah blah.

Well, it wasn’t my intention to be condensending or insulting. I’m a native Dallasite and I DO find it important to pause and acknowledge the tragedy of 40 years ago.
Y’all that don’t like that - you can have your opinion, and I’ll have mine.

I understand that and respect the importance of the event to you.

But, you can’t honestly expect me to think that comments such as

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or

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weren’t meant to be condensending or insulting.

Ok, I lied. I perhaps was a tad condesending and insulting - I apologize. But at least I wasn’t directing that sentiment towards a former President who was shot down.

You know what? I could absolutely understand someone posting a “Why the hell do people care about Paris Hilton’s porn movie” thread. However, JFK’s assassination is, believe it or not, a significant event in our history. I am a native Dallasite, and as such I do care to watch the news every year about it - I was 3 months away from birth when my mother shook hands with the Kennedys that day. Next, y’all will say you don’t really care to watch coverage of MLK’s assassination.

If you’re not someone who watches historic news (I am married to a fireman who will not watch 9/11 coverage) just turn it to a different channel, and recognize that you are the minority.

Oh geez… I dunno, lemme go look.

Straight from the Warren Commission Report. You’re right, I was in a hurry and assumed he was in a Convertable Caddy because they’ve been used since then. Ah well.

:cool:

Spot on. Rather than wait for all Boomers to die to end this maudlin obsession, mayhaps just the retirement of Boomer newsmen? Not soon enough, I reckon’.

Hey, Blonde, if you’re from Dallas of course you have some extra interest in the event. Guess what - I’m not from Dallas and I’ve never been there. Do I care what happens in Dallas? Yes, actually I do. I wish nothing bad to happen to anyone in Dallas, I want the city to be prosperous, I want the schools to be good and the neighborhoods safe.

But I’d be lying if I didn’t admit I care more about where I live, the Chicago area. Why? Because that’s where I live.

You were condescending. In fact, I wrote a big nasty ol’ reply I’m going to dump in the bit bucket because you did have the grace to apologize.

You want to know something that pisses me off? This pseudo-hysteria around this time of year every year is a gore-fest. Want to recognize JFK? Fine - celebrate his life, not his death. I am sick to death of seeing a man shot in the head and his brains splattering on his wife.

You know what? You’re right - I don’t care to watch a man being killed. There’s a certain sickness to playing the tape over and over and over. I would, however, be happy to watch MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech about a million times more than I already have.

So why don’t we celebrate JFK’s BIRTH rather than his DEATH? Why don’t we see him making the “Ask not what your country can do for you… ask what you can do for your country” speech every year? Tell me why we don’t celebrate how this man struggled to overcome his physical ills rather than dwell on his shattered skull.

Lincoln was assasinated - but we don’t obsess about how he died every year although arguably his assasination was even MORE shocking to the country than JFK’s. No - we talk mostly about what Lincoln DID. Frankly, that IS why JFK has lost some of his luster - why DOESN’T your generation talk about what he accomplished if he’s such a great man?

The saddest thing about the whole JFK/Camelot myth to me is what it did to JFK, Jr. - his whole life this man was expected to live up to his father’s legend - when even his own father didn’t live up to the “legend”. All my life I heard people talk about this kid like he was some reincarnation of his father, about how he was going to grow up and carry on the family “legacy” and do great things. He spent his whole life chased by papparazzi not for anything HE ever did but, basically, because his father was shot in the head while in public office. What a sad, sick burden to put on a child/young man. All that talk about when - not if but when - he was going to go into politics and take up the old man’s mantle, as if his whole life was just a prelude to running for public office and becoming his father, as if nothing he ever did in life would ever matter as much as him simply being his father’s son… Know what? I don’t think Jr. ever had any desire to hold office - why should he? What did it ever bring his family but blood and death? How dare other people expect him to be his father, to live his life to appease their desires. I’m just surprised he didn’t run off to some remote location where he could live his life on his own terms without being hounded by folks who just won’t let go of that “shining moment”.

The best damn send-up of the whole messy affair I ever saw was in the last season of Red Dwarf. I laughed my ass off. I doubt that episode will ever be aired here in the States, it throws egg on too many of the sacred cows in this country, but it does make the point that there is no guarantee that he would have been good for the country had he not been killed.

I’ll say it again - the deaths of 30 and wounding of 400+ in Istanbul should have been at the top of the CNN website this week, not a 40 year old assasination. There is something fucked up when a so-called “news” agency ignores the present in favor of a past event four decades old. Just as there was something fucked up about headlining that Michael Jackson fiasco rather than what’s happening in the world - but at least the MJ bullshit was current events, even if media generated stupidity.

But, I am going to bring up one more quote from you, Blonde:

Well, gee, why fuck do I bother to write if you don’t read it. I told you in my first post that I was born two years after JFK’s assasination, which, if you exert a tiny bit of mental effort, will tell you the year of my birth. You don’t have to “assume”, you just have to read. I’m not that much younger than YOU, Blonde, less than three years. Ask yourself how you came to regard someone born so soon after yourself in the same category as your children. My opinion doesn’t come from being young, uneducated, or ignorant. I’m tired of being condescended too MERELY because I was born in '65 rather than '63.

I’ll tell you, though - the opinions of the 18 year olds is just as important and valid as yours or mine. They ARE going to assign different weight and value to events than you or I. That’s the way of the world, and of history. There will be a generation that doesn’t remember 9/11, too, and will never feel the pain we felt that day. That doesn’t make those future people wrong, ignorant, angry, or somehow disrespectful of history. They’ll be much more concerned with their present and future than with their past. That’s OK with me. In fact, it’s the way it should be.