Various issues, none of which require a wheelchair or crutches. But which sometime do require some assistance.
Call the manager, discuss the need for training bouncers. Point out that not only is this an ADA issue, it’s a potential lawsuit issue for the business. If the bouncer won’t let someone with an invisible handicap use the elevator, and that person falls…
If manager is not responsive, call a lawyer specializing in ADA and consumer issues. And at least have a letter written.
I hate when people are power-hungry goobers just because they work in “security”.
If you are using a wheelchair and can’t stand at all, you won’t be able to reach the bottom of an ordinary cart.
And it is possible to push a cart from a wheelchair.
Is all this connected to an earlier thread? How does a public message board permit terms like fuck stick any way? I got an infraction on this same board for telling a guy he should get a retroactive abortion because he was insulting people with Down’ syndrome.
You can insult posters in The Pit (no fuck off or cunt or variations), you cannot insult posters in any of the other forums.
You can insult the world at large anywhere.
You’ve been here a year and a half, IIRC with several knuckle rappings along the way. I would think you’ve had that rule explained to you more than once.
Anyway, it’s a private message board that anyone can read.
I did all of these things. I told the manager that I wanted two things: the elevator, and someone to tell the bouncer he’s not a doctor and it’s not his job to decide who is able to use the stairs. She was sympathetic and made sure we could use the elevator. She even accompanied us back to the main floor.
What pissed me off, though, is that my compadre did use the stairs and did hurt themselves, so we had to leave anyhow. I’d love to take my business elsewhere, but unfortunately, the only other dance club near me is racist, sexist and homophobic. :mad:
My issue isn’t so much that he denied the elevator to begin with. That’s just his job, as Filbert said, and he wasn’t mean about it. It’s that when someone insists on it and gets visibly upset about it, you fucking relent. You don’t play this “Naw, you’re just trying to trick me into giving you free elevator rides” bullshit. I can’t, for the life of me, figure out what he thought our con was.
That is not what those carts are for. Cant be. I use a wheelchair and I cannot see how the hell I’d ever use such a cart. Ive never seen such a thing before.
And who qualifies an employee to determine who is disabled?
Filbert, IIRC, you are in England. Different laws in different countries. Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, an employee may not question a customer who states that he is disabled. If he or his employer does, they are breaking the law and are subject to civil action if they deny access to a disabled person. In ChessicSense’s case, the manager of the club quite correctly accepted the customers’ word for it and granted them access to the elevator, even if her employee was clueless. If the bouncer wasn’t so full if his self-inflated sense of authority, the incident would never have occurred.
The elevated carts are easier to reach into the bottom of. It can be difficult for an elderly person, in particular, to lean over and get something heavy out of a grocery cart.
Your “supermarket trolley guy” was probably just an arsehole. Indeed, I was not aware that there was really any such thing as a “supermarket trolley guy”, apart from the drones who collect them up from around the car park (if they are not the sort you have to return yourself to get your £1 coin back). The supermarkets I frequent generally seem to have about twice as many of the shallow type trolleys available as deep ones, nobody guards them, and their use is certainly not confined to the disabled.
I think this guy was just messing with you, and quite probably did not even work there.
I’m absolutely sure they are. Unfortunately, the only one of the three with concrete proof is sexism. They still do the whole “men pay higher cover” thing, illegal in many states but not yet in mine. I don’t know what part is more offensive, that they treat men as less desirable customers or that they’d treat my wife like a marketable commodity.
I don’t care if it’s only $2. It’s an offensive $2, so they won’t get any of mine.
I also hear they let black people in but kick them out soon after, and they toss any gay person that acts like it.
To be clear, this is the other club in the area, not the OP club.
It might not be the bouncer’s fault- he’s not going to relent if he thinks its going to get him into to trouble. And management can have really stupid rules- the building where my sister works ( for a state agency, no less) has really heavy doors. There is a door for the disabled which operates via a button- in the control of the security guard who sits inside. Who has orders not to push that button for any one who has not officially been granted use of that door as an ADA accommodation. Not people who have a obvious temporary injury and haven’t had the opportunity to request it yet , not people who don’t have a hand free because they’re lugging a lot of stuff into the office. No exceptions. And of course when someone complains, management makes sure that person can use the door- but doesn’t acknowledge that management gave the security guard his orders.
Wow. A state agency. Isn’t that illegal? Government agencies in my state (and businesses, too, for that matter), have a button near the door on both the inside and outside which may be accessed by everyone. A state agency shouldn’t be allowed to have it otherwise.
Eh? What’d the hell I ever do to you? And for he record, not only did I graduate High School and stuff, I did it while under the age of thirty, so ner!
Not quite that simple. You’re apparently thinking of a service animal, but that’s not the case. Depending on the state, you may be required to show that you are handicapped. I cannot, for instance, park in a disabled persons parking spot, claim that “I’m disabled and no one can verify that!” and go break dancing into the mall “wut wut”! That is a private parking spot on private property owned by a business. Just so, a private property owner may ask for verification of need before providing accommodation under the ADA. And verification is NOT your say-so.
This is where you proved you were, at best, no more intelligent than the person you were dealing with. If, as described, the security person had a radio, then that is the solution. Here’s a bit of genius for you, by your standards anyway:
Tell the person you are dealing with to please get on the radio and ask for the supervisor to come over, or the manager, or the owner since your friend needs to use the elevator. Ninety-Nine times out of one hundred he’s going to put you on the elevator instead. Because you have now demonstrated that this is a serious enough medical issue that you’re willing to escalate the situation and he’s not going to want to deal with it. Alternatively, he calls his lead, or the manager, and they will 100% of the time let you use the elevator precisely because you made a big enough deal of it that there must be something legit, or if it’s not it’s not worth the hassle. Either way, if you remain pleasant, and not a cock face, then you get what you want and should you need to use the elevator again, there will be no question about your access to it.
Woah! Problem solved! I must be a badass!
The asshole I see here is… you. Didn’t stand up for your friend, didn’t ask for any assistance from management, didn’t do anything to make the situation better for anyone, and then came here to whine like, well, a cock-faced dumbshit.
Next time, just ask for management. Don’t ask a person specifically paid NOT to make an exception or a judgement call to… make an exception or a judgement call. I mean, that’s just fucking dumb right there.
Well that makes no sense then. They called someone who allowed them to use the elevator and then his partner goes and uses the stairs anyways? I don’t think he should be pitting the security dude, I think he should be pitting his partner for doing something they know would cause themselves injurious pain for no apparent reason.
Alternatively, if you have a partner who cannot walk up or down a flight of stairs without significant pain, that tends to indicate their knees and/or hips are fucked.
…so why in the world are you taking them to a dance club? “Oh hey, lets go hang out at a place where you can watch people have fun but never partake of the activity yourself without crippling pain!” I mean, WTF over?
Regards,
-Bouncer-
PS: Still, I should probably read the whole thread before replying… nah that’s crazy talk!
And for he record, not only did I graduate High School and stuff, I did it while under the age of thirty, so ner!
