I hear Ben and Jerry are launching a new flavor called “Shock and Awe”.
Gosh, I’m glad posters try so hard to hide their misogyny.
Spelled “Choc and Ahhh!”
You know, I was trying to come up with some clever little pun like that, but none of the ones I thought of were any good. I like yours, though!
“Shock and Almonds”, surely.
It seems to me that you would have to already disliked Hillary quite a bit to say she was tearing up because “she was the only one who could lead us”. She was making a point that not everyone (obviously including herself) gets into politics for cynical power trips. It’s a pretty common political line and I’m perplexed how anyone could interpret “deeply personal” as some sort of pompous/self-important statement. She’s just saying “it’s more than a job to me”. Maybe it should be filed in the “no shit” category but I doubt she would deny that it’s “deeply personal” to Obama as well as herself.
Her eyes clearly welled up with tears. I’ve seen it both on video and in still photos. You can choose to define tears by whether or not they actually ran down her cheek, but the fact of the matter is that she teared up and there was a small but definite catch in her voice as she beat back the emotion.
Now I don’t particularly have a problem with a candidate crying under certain circumstances, and I’ve known of her propensity for crying since reading George Stepanopoulous’ memoir several years ago in which he describes vividly her inclination toward ferocious behind-the-scenes tears and tantrums. My objections regarding Hillary have to do with her evasiveness and dishonesty, and the feeling that she believes with all her heart that if people knew what she was really like and what she really wanted to do, they’d never vote for her in a million years…so she lies, dissembles and evades giving straight answers on anything in the hope (possibly to be realized) that American voters will put her in office simply because she’s the most well-known and well-funded Democrat.
She and her husband are both such eager, aggressive and shameless liars that even their own former supporters sometimes turn against them - ala David Geffen, who remarked that while he believed most politicians lie, the Clintons do it with such ease that it’s troubling.
So the reason the tears are getting so much airplay is because a great many people in this country are interested in trying to determine if they were actually real or just more poll-driven Clintonesque manipulation.
Now, what does that tell you about her as a person?
I think you mean David Gergen…?
I may be wrong but, I read Shoshana’s post as referring to Edwards just beating Clinton, but Clinton getting more delegates from the Iowa caucuses.
Edwards got 30% of the vote and 14 delegates.
Clinton got 29% of the vote and 15 delegates.
I don’t much favor Hillary for reasons of policy, she’s too triangulated, too “centrist” (Which to me means too much beholden to corporados…) but I think she’d be an OK President, the bar being lowered so far as it has, she could hardly miss. Ain’t crazy about her, but, yeah, she’d do. Long as we have a solidly progressive Congress to keep an eye on her.
But if she’s a bit worn out by a schedule that would kill a med school resident in training…well, it means she doesn’t have as good a connection for meth as Obama does.
No, it was Geffen. Here’s a linkto it from USA Today.
I’m just being a smart-ass because of ** elucidator’s** comment about a president
You don’t think the idea of a frustrated woman crying and eating ice cream isn’t a little misogynistic? I’d rather that she stand up to the things that frustrate her and not crumble under them. Same with any leader. You can’t lead when you are curled up on the couch eating Chunky Monkey straight out of the pint container and going through a box of Kleenex. I can’t picture Margaret Thatcher sobbing on a settee when HMS Sheffield was hit.
You know what really sucks for “dictators”? When they try to get the constitution amended to abolish term limits for their office, and the referendum fails. That’s when it sucks to be a dictator.
To be honest, it tells me more about the people doing the determining. Though I do believe there are plenty of valid reasons for not wanting her to get the nomination, this incident sure as hell isn’t one of them.
Crying takes the sad out of you,
Woody
Do you really mean this? That, for people to be suspicious of her motives because she’s a known liar and manipulator, it says more negative things about them than her?
Here’s how it was reported in the NYT, included the exact quote of what she said:
So, we’re going to slip backwards if she doesn’t get the nomination? Like I said, fuck that. She works so hard to make American better? What a crock-- she’s a power hungry politician, and she’s working hard so she can become president. That’s why she turns a lot of people off.
But I don’t dislike her. I said I’d vote for her. She’s not the only power-hungry pol out there, just the one who happened to be hypocritical about it the other day on national TV.
Oh. Okay then! 
No worries. 
Besides, Gergen may well have said something similar, I’m just not aware of it if he did.
Hillary said:
Finally! Somebody’s thinking of the children!
Yes, especially if they’re not equally suspicious of every other candidate running. “Known liar and manipulator” may as well be the 2nd dictionary definition of “politician” anyway; why she should get singled out more than the others tells me there’s something else besides a love of truth and integrity that’s fueling their disgust.
Dendrites are go!,
Woody
I love this recent headline …
NH primary turnout sets record
So where the hell were you all in 2004 when you could have set the stage to dump Dubya without worrying about a repeat of Florida in the general election?
You folks just can’t live up to your state motto.