I’m not sure what your first line was supposed to represent, so I’ll ignore it and address the second one.
What in Og’s name makes being a woman and being a president mutually exclusive? Do men have to stop being men to be president? Women can’t be men, so shouldn’t be president? What do you mean by that (I’m assuming, rhetorical) question? Because I sure as hell hope you’re not saying that she has to give up all aspects of her femininity (such as it is) to be President.
And by the way? I don’t like her, hope she doesn’t get the nomination, think she’d be a terrible president…but it has nothing to do with her being a woman, or having dared to show emotion in public. Gah.
NH primary turnout sets record
So where the hell were you all in 2004 when you could have set the stage to dump Dubya without worrying about a repeat of Florida in the general election?
You folks just can’t live up to your state motto.
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NH primary turnout sets record
So where the hell were you all in 2004 when you could have set the stage to dump Dubya without worrying about a repeat of Florida in the general election?
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I was in the hospital giving birth. Thanks for asking!
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I’m not sure what your first line was supposed to represent, so I’ll ignore it and address the second one.
What in Og’s name makes being a woman and being a president mutually exclusive? Do men have to stop being men to be president? Women can’t be men, so shouldn’t be president? What do you mean by that (I’m assuming, rhetorical) question? Because I sure as hell hope you’re not saying that she has to give up all aspects of her femininity (such as it is) to be President.
And by the way? I don’t like her, hope she doesn’t get the nomination, think she’d be a terrible president…but it has nothing to do with her being a woman, or having dared to show emotion in public. Gah.
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I don’t care if she shows emotion. She’s been angry, she’s been elated, she’s been sad and she has shown appropriate emotions at the right times. However, tears of frustration are pathetic for someone who wants to be elected into one of the most frustrating jobs in the world. If she was frustrated and showed toughness, a steely resolve I could accept that. Tears of frustration are wimpy from a potential leader. Even her own husband, when in the frustrating situations of videotaped depositions and embarrassing questions from the press didn’t give in to tears of frustration. He was adamant, determined and firm (at least Monica said so ) in responding to the onslaught.
Some people will say that for her to act that way would cause her to be labeled as a bitch. So what. When the chips are down I want either a tough bastard in charge or a tough bitch.
And she can be as “feminine “ as she wants to be, whatever the hell that means. If she wants to wear a blouse that shows her cleavage :eek: then good for her (I’d draw the line at see-through and braless though <shudder>). She wears makeup and styles her hair, but so does Edwards.
Personally, though, I’ve never liked her because she always struck me as an Eva Peron-type. Manipulating, conniving and doing whatever it takes to get into a position of power. Just as I don’t like the Karl Rove or the gentleman who was Bill Clinton’s advisor (damned if I can remember his name but I can see his face).
As for the OP – I will never understand why anyone believes these polls. I am registered as unenrolled in NH. I would estimate that in the past few weeks I received 3-5 poll calls per day. I answered maybe one. Most people I know won’t even pick up the phone (I don’t have caller ID, myself). But I, and most people I know, voted in the actual election.
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As for the OP – I will never understand why anyone believes these polls. I am registered as unenrolled in NH. I would estimate that in the past few weeks I received 3-5 poll calls per day. I answered maybe one. Most people I know won’t even pick up the phone (I don’t have caller ID, myself). But I, and most people I know, voted in the actual election.
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That’s called selection bias. The best book I can think of on the subject is Berinsky’s Silent Voices. This came out while I was in grad school studying formal political science, and we picked it up and used it immediately.
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I’m not sure what your first line was supposed to represent, so I’ll ignore it and address the second one.
What in Og’s name makes being a woman and being a president mutually exclusive? Do men have to stop being men to be president? Women can’t be men, so shouldn’t be president? What do you mean by that (I’m assuming, rhetorical) question? Because I sure as hell hope you’re not saying that she has to give up all aspects of her femininity (such as it is) to be President.
And by the way? I don’t like her, hope she doesn’t get the nomination, think she’d be a terrible president…but it has nothing to do with her being a woman, or having dared to show emotion in public. Gah.
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I can’t believe this, but I’m going to defend Hillary. I don’t know whether the question was planted or the answer rehearsed or any of that, but I do know that for the first time ever, she struck me as sincere. I wouldn’t even describe it as tears. She wasn’t crying. She didn’t choke up. She was contemplative, and seemed to open up. Compared to what a steel trap George W. Bush is, her candor was refreshing to me. It is not a weakness for a leader to show human feelings; it is a weakness for a leader to suppress them.
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Not sure how you figure that. And even with her NH “win”, Obama still has more total delegates than Clinton.
State Obama Clinton
[Iowa](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA) 16 15
[New Hampshire](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NH) 09 09
[Total To Date](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/) **25** **24**
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Isn’t Clinton leading in superdelegates? She has at least 2 for certain (Bill & herself) while Obama only has his one vote.
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Isn’t Clinton leading in superdelegates? She has at least 2 for certain (Bill & herself) while Obama only has his one vote.
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I hav eno answer for this, I just like the idea of a crime fighting team called the Superdelgates who have the power to caucus for hours on end.
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Yeah, is it a motto…or is it a threat?
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Yes
I’m a Mainer that lives just a short 5 minute drive from the border of NH, so I consider myself both a Mainer and NH’er, but NH gets almost all my spending money, because NH is just plain cooler (plus there’s that “No Sales Tax” thing)
I was planning to vote for Obama in the Maine primary, but his shameful stance on the 2nd Amendment has lost him my vote, so I’m swinging back to Ron Paul, not a fan of McCain because he’s still in favor of the Iraq Debacle…err…Quagmire…err “War”
plus, NH would beat me up if i voted for Obama or Hillary
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When I lived in Boston, we always called you guys Maniacs. Aye-uh!
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And we referred to you Mass. residents as “Massholes”, usually when observing your driving habits, which are Chaos Theory personified…
One of my college freinds actually got her roommate (a “From-Awayer” to believe that when learning to drive in Mass, Mass residents are given both the standard driving instruction manual (most pages are blank) and a special "Masshole* manual that tought you the fine-points of driving like a Mass. native )
this thread should inspire a “true facts about NH” spinoff thread, similar to the “True Facts” threads on Vin Diesel/Chuck Norris/etc…
We don’t hate Maniacs. We just think they’re, well, “quaint”.
We hate New Yorkers. When I first moved out here from MA, the license plates from Oregon looked very similar to those form NY, and my blood pressure would still rise whenever I saw one, even though I was 3,000 miles away.
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I was planning to vote for Obama in the Maine primary, but his shameful stance on the 2nd Amendment has lost him my vote, so I’m swinging back to Ron Paul, not a fan of McCain because he’s still in favor of the Iraq Debacle…err…Quagmire…err “War”
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That’s pretty much exactly how I feel about Obama and McCain. In the end, I think we could definitely do worse than those two, but I won’t vote for either of them, almost entirely because of their respective stances on those issues.
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I can’t believe this, but I’m going to defend Hillary.
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Wow, I can actually, really, for sure, feel your pain here.
It sucks to be you today!
Maybe it’s because I don’t own a gun, but why do people get all bent out of shape by what a president thinks of gun control? It’s such a minor issue in terms of what a president can actually do. How often in the last, say, 25 years has a president’s action wrt gun control come into play? Almost all gun control is done at the state and local level anyway.
Well, given the recent trends towards executives attempting to grab more and more autocratic authority, not to mention the incredible inflation of the scope of federal power, I think that one might justifiably become concerned.
But more than that, it shows me that a candidate does not respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and is therefore unfit to fill the Presidential office.
) in responding to the onslaught.