People defending magick: how do you feel about vampyre?
I don’t feel nauseated, if that’s what you’re asking.
No, and I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised by your act of “look-at-me-I’m-so-reasonable-and-scientific-I-get-physically-ill-by-the-word-‘magick’”. But I won’t bother you with that again. I’m past it.
I really do wonder where you’re getting all this “look at me” stuff from–I just posted to comment that I’ll stop thinking it’s ridiculous when they demonstrate that it isn’t. For someone posting on the SDMB, you sure are having a pretty negative reaction to what amounts to “Cite?”
Aw, and we were having so much fun.
He’s gay, so I suspect he wouldn’t get much out of the naked ladies. Beer and footballs, perhaps.
As such, I recommend you hook me up with a beer/football/naked lady-decorated fan and fainting couch forthwith. Since, you know, you’ve apparently got them lying around.
Tanqueray and tonics and Lady Gaga for me, please.
Well, not *yet *I don’t.
While we’re at it, would you care to swap your getting mistaken for a woman on these boards for my getting mistaken for a man? I’m sure we could work out some sort of reciprocal arrangement to our mutual benefit.
It does actually. If you’re standing on the Earth and you stand in one place, the Sun will move across the sky. If the Earth is rotating then things outside of it are also moving around it. It just depends on which point you arbitrarily consider fixed.
Reason is a whore.
Which one was it?
It’s not a common and accepted usage, it’s one that is generally scoffed at by even people who are into vampires.
A drawer filled with ten thousand spoons–when all you need is a knife.
I believe it is from Aeschylus in Orestes Amakhaira.
No, the sun appears to move across the sky as the Earth rotates on its axis. The only way your argument works is if you are also prepared to claim that your television is full of tiny people who perform for you.
I think we said the guy who was afraid of flying who died in a plane crash, but it was borderline. Basically it came down to, you would necessarily expect that he would not die in a plane crash, because it’s a very safe method of travel when compared to, say, automobiles, but his irrational fear ended up being justified in his particular case.
Also, the old guy buying the lottery tickets. (“An old man turned 98 / He won the lotter-eeeee / And died the next day”) What’s an old guy going to do with all that money? He’s going to die soon anyway! It exemplifies the hamartia of man’s hubristic neglect of his own mortality.
No, it’s all relative, if the Earth is spinning, then everything outside of it is also rotating around it. It’s hardly the same as little people in the TV.
Right, got it.
Why pick the one frame of reference over another? Everything is perfectly still, from the appropriate frame of reference, and moving whatever way one likes from another frame of reference. There isn’t any particular objective fixed center of the universe or still velocity or any such thing.
To adopt the perspective that the Earth revolves around the sun rather than the sun revolving around the Earth or both revolving around some third point or what have you is a matter of custom, not brute fact; custom made natural by the fact the motion of the other planets becomes perhaps more easily described from this perspective, but custom nonetheless.
Never heard of inertial frames of reference, eh?
I would’ve thought choosing a frame that necessitates no fictitious forces is rather more rational than mere custom.
shrugs. I didn’t deny that some things become easier to express from the perspective which has fixed the sun as the center round which the Earth goes, rather than the other way. If that’s what you mean by saying that this is genuinely, in some objective sense, the case, and not the sun going round the Earth instead, alright.
If we were sticking to a Newtonian framework, that’d be all I could say in my defense. But, in a GRy framework, I can go a bit further: gravity’s as good as any other “fictitious” force, and fixing the sun or anything else as the center hardly removes it from the equation.
Actually no, I didn’t know the term as such, but I already understood the concept. I understand why people say that the Earth revolves around the Sun. In our current physics model the Earth is a subordinate entity to the Sun. I’m just making a point that from a subjective reference point perspective it is not incorrect to say that the Sun moves through the sky. I am not describing anything supernatural, just pointing out that it’s not unreasonable for a human being to say that the Sun is rotating around the Earth.
To be honest it’s just a really nitpicky thing I have about people who use heliocentrism as a way to be pretentiously pedantic. If the Earth is revolving then the everything else is orbiting around it. I am using a non-inertial frame of reference, but I am not claiming any supernatural cause, just moving my fixed reference point. In this case the fixed reference point is me. I am still, everything else is moving. 
That doesn’t change or deny accepted physics in any way shape or form.
Relative to one another, both I an the Sun are in motion.
[music] Scoff, the Magick Vampyre
Lived by the sea
And Frolicked in the Noisome Mists
In Transyl-vain-iii-eeee![/music]
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