I think you need a new battery in your watch.
It couldn’t have been 8 seconds.
Theres just no way. More like 4.
You cannot meaningfully or sincerely apologize for the actions of other people.
It was one of the more painful things I’ve ever seen. I don’t know if I could have lasted more than the 30 seconds I watched. It’s worse than Vogon poetry. It was just unmitigated bollocks, IMO.
“Look at me apologizing - aren’t I a super-sensitive, enlightened man?”
I don’t need men to apologize to me for what went down hundreds of years ago, particularly when that apology is all flaky New Age crap and no substance. If these guys want to be real men, they can walk the walk - treat the women in their lives with respect, work in the developing world to help women, support access to abortion and birth control, etc. But I’m sure it’s easier to just film a cheesy video and feel good about yourself.
I happen to think that apologizing for things you didn’t do really never helps anyone, except that it help the apologizer absolve their misplaced guilt without actually improving anything.
“I’m sorry for my subconscious desire to subordinated and control women” isn’t a real apology.
And what RickJay said.
ETA: And what Meyer6 said. Why do I even bother to post when so many other posters can make my point much better than I can?
I think it actively hurts the situation because instead of focusing on those who are behaving badly, we’re spreading out the guilt.
Watched the whole thing. Too bad guilt trips don’t score frequent flier miles like business trips.
Thanks.
Trauma inflicted primarily by men. So there’s that.
Asserted as though it’s self-evident, when it isn’t. Men made the rules and to a large extent still do, even in supposedly enlightened countries like ours.
So that no one in future can honestly say they aren’t responsible foro their gender roles. Someone needs to stop it, or the shirking will go on forever. So first you take responsibility, then you work for change.
I think a lot of the critics not merely of this specific manifesto, but of any form of men taking responsibilty for the oppression of women want to pretend, as both these writers do, that the suffering of men and women has been equal, which is a lie. it has not been equal, it IS not equal, and, as previously noted, the suffering of both is perpetrated almost entirely by men.
It doesn’t mean men need to grovel and hate themselves,(and contrary to these writers’ views, I don’t agree that the manifesto takes that stance at all.) because that’s not healthy either, but any attempt to move forward that starts with a lie is doomed to fail.
It kinda reminds me of a friend of mine, a junkie. She has all the unfortunate destructive behaviors associated with junkies, and whenever her behavior creates problems, the only way she’s ever willing to acknowledge and take responsibility of any kind is by trying to frame it as “we both acted badly, we both shouldn’t have said the things we said, we both blah blah…” and it’s a lie. Not every instance of harm and conflict is equally the fault of all parties at all. Sometimes it really is just one person acting badly, and until she’s willing to take genuine responsibility for the way she lies and uses people instead of making it seem like her shitty behavior is something mutually created (which it actually is to the extent that the people she harms can only be harmed by her to the extent they permit it, but of course that’s not the same thing), she’s going to stay stuck and keep losing friends.
I feel like I should make an 8-minute video of women apologizing to men for the Dear Woman video.
I’m not a “THIS” person… but, so much, THIS!
If you see every instance of taking responsibility for something as an opportunity to remain mired in guilt.
But that’s a choice, too, and I don’t think thats the choice these men are making at all.
Christ almighty.
I appreciate their sentiments, but shit like “I may not have done these things myself, but I’m aware of the forces of the unconscious masculine psyche…” is bollocks.
Also, passim the PuA and dating threads, pressure on my life from 80s feminists to act like those milquetoast knobheads, helped me to fuck up my dating life for many years.
I don’t think many people are saying that, especially in this thread. It’s convenient to believe that anyone who doesn’t enjoy the video must be in denial about the historical oppression of women, but I doubt most of us are. Women were second class citizen for a long time, and still are in many countries. That is slowly changing in the developed world, and while we may not have exact equality, we’re getting close.
That change required a change in the way living, breathing men think and act towards women, including the way they raise their sons and daughters. Dead men cannot change, and there is no point in apologizing for their outdated behaviour. How is it the fault of my 30 year old friends that Joan of Arc was burned at the stake?
For once, I’m glad I’m blocked from Youtube at work.
Stoid, will you apologize for wrongs done by other women?
Man, the things some guys will do to try to get laid!
I am waiting for the YouTube remix where it’s edited like Max Headroom to a Lady Gaga song.
- TWTTWN
My sacred feminine energy was going to spew up sacred feminine vomit after watching less than a minute of this video.
It’s manipulative, creepy, and profoundly dishonest. If these guys were really interested in making things better for women, they’d be doing things that actually helped rectify systemic injustice against women. Instead, they’re just saying, over and over again, in the freakiest way possible, how much they love and respect women. Ick.
This was the crack that came to my mind as well. 
Name some of the wrongs done by women that you think are comparable in some respect to the sorts of wrongs being apologized for in this manifesto, and I’ll answer you.
I’m waiting for the “Dear Cats” video: “woof, woof, whimper…”
I’ll pitch it to Budweiser as their Superbowl ad if the Dear Women goes viral.