I find myself perplexed at all of the people are just oh so offended by these sorts of things. Did people seriously not play the “would you rather ____ or ____ games” with your friends, especially growing up?
Maybe they actually grew up?
Another hypothetical:
Would it be awesome if some bizarre circumstances made it perfectly proper to have sex with your Mom or Dad?
A) Hell, yes!
B) Yes
C) No
D) Hell, no!
Is outrage or being unable to handle a silly hypothetical question a big sign of maturity?
Uh, D? You realize “would have sex with parent to avoid being maimed” is not “WOOHOO GET TO FUCK PARENT! YEAH!” right?
Did you ever get “The Lifeboat Game” in school? The basic notion is that there is an overcrowded lifeboat, populated with various stereotypical figures, and the schoolkids, in an unformatted discussion, try to figure out what to do. The obvious answer is, “Throw the old woman overboard,” but the real points of the exercise are: to explore the basics of ethics, and to try to see if the kids can come up with answers other than the obvious.
Lots and lots of reaction against that from the usual suspects. I still have a file of newspaper clippings of letters to the editor, where they insist that this is “teaching euthanasia” and “cheapening human life, probably in support of abortion,” and so on.
Yes, to some people, even contemplating awful situations is sinful and must not be permitted.
(I am, by the way, not saying that this is the motivation for the posts on this thread. I think, here, the objection is mostly aesthetic. These are “icky” questions. I don’t think the full-blown censorship-ethic of the anti-lifeboat-game activists is in play here. Nobody here has said “You can’t do this,” only “Ew! Why did you do this?”)
On a lighter note, do you know Tom Weller’s “Book of Stupid Questions?” It’s chock-full of this kind of zinger.
“Would you rather fuck your mom or be violently raped?” is a silly hypothetical question? Incest is generally a pretty serious topic. Some people get icked out when you suggest it with their parents. Since there’s no reason to do this and it’s not particularly entertaining or enlightening to ponder, it leaves some of us baffled as to why you care to ask the question at all. Particularly since this is the second thread on this topic now.
Sure. “Would you rather lose an arm or a leg?” is a silly hypothetical question, yet you could choose to be outraged, OUTRAGED!!! because think of all the people out there who’ve had limbs hacked off by war crimes or horrible industrial accidents.
The first thread wasn’t mine, by the way. I wasn’t intending to start this sort of discussion - I was only doing a followup to the other discussion because I wanted to see just how deluded people were about the subject. Anyone who went from that thread, into this thread, just to be offended again is pretty fucking stupid.
May I ask you, Senor Beef, why the fuck is this so important to you?
I don’t like being condescended to by people who are being ridiculous. This thread (the follow up) is to demonstrate and quantify the ridiculousness.
I’m fine with people just picking option 2. I think most of them are delusional - not lying, simply too weak minded to truly evaluate the situation and therefore go with the easy answer. If actually facing the situation for real, they’d choose otherwise. If that’s all it was, I wouldn’t have said anything.
But those people had to go the extra mile and assert that anyone who would say otherwise, to actually admit they’d make the choice - the choice that most of the people in the thread would take if actually in that situation - other people have to insult them and declare to be revolted. That’s the part that gets me.
That isn’t to say I don’t think anyone would legitimately pick option 2. Never having sex again is a variable punishment. If you’re like a lot of SDMBers, you probably aren’t getting much in the way of valuable sex and you might not anticipate ever having sex again. Makes the decision pretty easy, right? If you’re James Bond, and you’re banging a different one of the most beautiful women in the world every few days, it would obviously be a much harsher punishment.
So I wanted to make the punishment more universal and extreme. Hence the choices we can all recognize to be bad - being blind, being crippled, etc.
Now it was my hypothesis that everyone in that thread was being a gigantic fucking pussy (I mean come on, it’s a silly hypothetical question, you have to act SO VERY OUTRAGED!!! AND DISGUSTED!!! that anyone could ask a hypothetical question because you have sticks up all your asses and like to be offended for no good reason) and continue with their delusions and judgements.
And I was right. As of now, 42% of the thread respondants indicate that they’d rather be blind or completely crippled from the neck down rather than face one night of discomfort that did no permanent damage. This, to any rational human being, is absurd. No one could possibly choose avoiding a temporary, non-damaging discomfort in exchange for an extremely damaging, permanent handicap, lifelong discomfort that removes almost all of your quality of life.
As I said, I could see people actually making choice 2 in the other thread, depending on how valuable sex to them was. I can’t see anyone in this thread choosing the latter options because being able to use your body or your eyes is obviously overwhelmingly valuable to everyone.
Hence, that response proves that the people are delusional. No one would actually take that answer, but almost half of them claim they would because they’re unable to stomach answering a simple hypothetical question. And they’re so outraged and disgusted that their super delicate offenderati sensibilities have been set off to even have to consider the question.
So - the combination - people who are clearly delusional, who were, in the other thread, insulting other people for being disgusting when in reality they were simply non-delusional, bothers me. Any time anyone insults other from a position of weakmindedness bothers me.
i know when i played death is not an option type games, it was more along the lines of “would you rather fuck [class fat kid] or [biggest nerd in class]”, or choosing between unattractive celebrities and such. strangely enough the topic of incest didn’t come up, but maybe we did things differently where i grew up.
i’m going to take a dio-like stance on this and say that anyone who voluntarily chooses the “fuck your parent” option has something seriously wrong with them and needs therapy. and, frankly, your OP comes across as trying to find the right scenario for parent fucking to be ok. incest is really unnatural and revolting, and if thinking so makes me a delicate flower, then so be it, cause i can think of worse things to be.
Not at all. I’m squicked out by the idea too. But so squicked out that I’d permanently and severely damaged the rest of my life just to avoid it? No way.
There are worse temporary discomforts than fucking your parents. You could be violently gangraped. You could be tortured by real, actual torture. I would never choose a permanent disability like blindness to avoid those either.
This “you must be secretly getting people to approve of you fucking your parents!” nonsense is a psychological mechanism for you to avoid facing the fact that you’re all being ridiculous.
Incidentally, the poll results here actually indicate that I overestimated the rationality of these posters. I wanted to give the posters a range on which to fall on - like how some might be willing to be raped or made deaf instead of doing it, but they’d draw the line at crippled. I thought that blindness and quadripalegia were just about the worst things that could happen to you that you could live with - so bad that no one would really choose those options. But apparently I didn’t go nearly far enough. People are so delusional that they’d go right through blindness and quadripalegia.
So I should’ve actually extended this poll further. Would you suffer being completely unable to move and communicate for the rest of your long and pointless life to avoid fucking a parent? Would you kill 10 innocent people? Would you allow a million innocents to die? I wouldn’t have guessed that it would take such extreme comparisons to make people pick the obvious answer, so I overestimated the lot of you.
I won’t drag this issue out by starting another thread to ask those questions, but it wouldn’t surprise me if these people were so mentally weak that they couldn’t admit they’d fuck a parent to avoid the deaths of a million innocent people. They’re so mentally weak that a simple squick factor prevents them from answering a hypothetical that has no actual consequences. Which is weird to me - what’s the harm in answering hypotheticals? I could do it all day with no trouble at all.
But I doubt they could actually admit they’d choose letting a million people die too, so we’d probably get a lot of “OMG I’M SO OFFENDED THAT I WON’T EVEN PARTICIPATE” type answers.
I love the Dope. Seriously.
Carry on.
i think people are offended because, as i alluded to in my last post, the hypothetical scenario posed crosses a line. none of these things is ever going to happen- no one’s going to point a gun at my head and demand i either fuck a parent or 5 million orphans are toast, or whatever. it’s never going to happen except in someone’s twisted fantasy. i cannot think of a single scenario, realistic or not, where i would willingly have sex with a parent. furthermore, you’re dead wrong if you think that there would be no long lasting and permanently damaging consequences if that were to happen. seriously, anyone who would choose the parent-screwing option needs to seek help.
You’re in the wrong threads if you’re offended by the idea playing the hypothetical question game.
Just to be clear - you feel that anyone who would choose sex with a parent over being blind or crippled for the rest of their lives must be mentally ill and should seek professional help. Is that correct?
if they say with 100% honesty that they would voluntarily have sex with their parent, yes, they need professional help, regardless of what remote and unrealistic scenario has been placed before them.
Well, thank you for your support of my point.
I could just as much say “anyone who would choose to be blind or to be completely unable to use their body from the neck down for the rest of their life, over one night of temporary discomfort, needs professional help”, but in reality they just need to stop being hysterical and just admit to a simple, logical decision.
Looking at your response again, I’m a little confused. You say “regardless of what remote and unrealistic scenario” - are you saying that there is no conceivable situation in which choosing to have sex with a parent is a preferable option? That it is the worst conceivable thing that could possibly happen?
A superbug that destroys all food crops on earth, leaving all of humanity to slowly starve to death, would be preferable to fucking a parent? A magical pill that made people live 5000 years long, but also gave them horrible agonizing pain for the entirety of it, forcing them to endure 5000 years of torture, wouldn’t be worse than fucking a parent?
Can you not see how wildly irrational it is to say that nothing could possibly be worse?
Or are you saying that people who are not delicate little snowflakes that have a mental breakdown at the idea of choosing between two bad options are somehow crazy and in need of psychological help? Because it would seem quite the opposite to me.
What about those who’ve been freaking molested by their parents in the past? Would it be “temporary discomfort”?
Hey, let’s turn it around – would you be willing to have sex with a child to avoid any of the scenarios you’ve described?
Yes. It would be traumatic. As would not ever seeing anything ever again in your life or never being able to use your body again. Trying to make the case of “having sex with a parent is bad” is not particularly enlightening. I’m pretty sure we all agree on that point.
I just… how can… I’m so offended that you asked me that.. I’m going to pray for your soul and call psychiatrists and oh this is just… so very offensive… I think I have the vapors… losing… conciousness.
For some reason, the term “butthurt” seems so incredibly appropriate for many of the responses in this thread.
I get the feeling that some people think being molested by a parent is so bad that… how dare you imply something else could be worse!
But let’s be clear. Forcing someone to rape his daughter or son or for a son to rape his mother or sister is something that does happen in parts of the world today. It’s highly unlikely to happen to anyone living in a Western Democracy, but there’s some horrendously nasty stuff going on in parts of Africa as we speak.
You’re not cute.
All I see in your OP is a game of “let’s think of the most horrific circumstance that can ever happen, so I can convince you of A…” You basically seem bound and determined to get someone to come up with some kind of instance that a person would have wild hot parental sex. What the hell is in it for you?