Oh god. I’m done with this, I’m sorry, I can’t think about this anymore. I’ll just say: to me, there is a fundamental difference. Just as you can’t see a difference, I think you’re very far away from where I am to not see a difference.
:flees the thread, goes to look at cute birds or hedgies or anything:
This is hilarious. A couple of people are insisting that other people must be pathetic losers or liars because they chose not to have sex with their parents.
The people who picked option two are the ones really making the value judgements. I’m not accusing people of “lying” so much - I think that’s their honest, easy, initial answer, I just think they’d pick differently if actually faced with the choice. But the people who picked option two are the ones insisting that the people who picked option 1 were trolling or crazy.
Who said the latter? There were some people that volunteered it for themselves (“easy decision, I’m not having sex anyway”) but I don’t recall anyone saying that anyone who picked option two must be sexless.
Saying “if faced with the actual decision, you’d reconsider, but it’s easy to give the answer you gave when not actually facing it for real” is not nearly as judgemental as “there’s something very wrong with anyone who picked option 1”
So you calling people liars (to themselves if nothing else) doesn’t count because other people made value judgments first?
And the other guy’s psychoanalysis was even better. If you chose not to have sex with your parent then you probably don’t really like sex, or you weren’t going to get any anyway, you lying liar.
I’m quite happy to make a value judgment: choosing to have sex with your parent for a reason like this is a bit crazy, yeah. Being so insistent about is really, really fucking weird.
The thing is - I’m not the weird one here. That’s why this thing seems so bizarre to me. The ones who really are weird are also the most sure that people who aren’t as weird as them must be crazy.
In the other poll, almost half the people voted that they’d rather be a quadripalegic or blind for the rest of their lives than to have sex once with their parents. THAT is crazy. You have either never experienced real hardship in your life if the idea of having disgusting, icky sex for one day seems worth facing extreme challenges that reduce your quality of life to nearly zero for the rest of your life, or you have some really fucking extreme psychological issues about your parents.
Those people are the fucking crazy ones, and they think other people are crazy. It’s so off the wall illogical to me that I can’t quite let it go.
“But I think it shows a level of abnormal detachment for SDers to say they’d be willing to give up sex for the rest of their lives rather than have sex with a parent once. In most normal post-pubescent humans, the sex drive is fairly strong.”
“It’s just something that is said by people that aren’t having sex.”
“The only way I’d buy the, “Ew, no way!” answers is if: A) You have a low to non-existent sex drive; B) You figure you probably aren’t going to be having sex anyway, so no big loss; C) You’re old, so point A or B probably applies anyway, plus you figure you’d rather not bang other old people anyway, or D) You’re giving the expected answer and like SenorBeef said, you’d be fucking your mother like a motherfucker 15 seconds after being shown the list of all the people you’d otherwise be exchanging bodily fluids with over the course of the rest of your life.”
So, again, don’t start claiming only one side is being judgmental.
It really does, though - and he’s going out of his way to word it neutrally and not be insulting. Saying “no big deal if I ever have sex again” is certainly abnormal, is it not?
He didn’t say that to people who picked option 2, though. He said it to the guy who said “I’m not controlled by my genitals” in regards to all the people who said that having sex at some time in their life again would be valuable. It was a direct response to the guy making a judgement that if you ever want to have sex again, you’re being controlled by your genitals.
How are these statements judgemental, though? The plausibility of responses is under question and he’s providing conditionals under which they might make sense. That’s far different from just going THERE’S SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG AND CRAZY ABOUT ALL OF YOU.
And you never could again, if forced to have sex with them under duress? This isn’t some “hey, if you got drunk on some Thanksgiving, be honest, you’d bang your parents, right?” question. It’s one of those “gun to your head, if you have to choose between two bad options..”
Your parents wouldn’t understand and move on?
Great, almost everyone is. Is overcoming that repulsion easier than giving up sex for the rest of your life, or being blind or quadripalegic?
No one in this hypothetical indicated that they wanted to - just that you wouldn’t have to rape them. I took it to mean that they were aware that you’d face life-altering consequences if it didn’t happen, and were understanding.
Sorry, but by being so insistent, you are the weird one. If you genuinely can’t see why most people would not want to fuck their parents, then you genuinely have a problem with your understanding of human relationships.
Considering the poll results? No. I’d say that those of us who have a very ingrained incest taboo aren’t abnormal at all. You’ve got a small percentage on your side and it’s like you’re desperate to get other people to say that you’re perfectly normal move along nothingtoseehere.
Because it’s a hypothetical, I honestly don’t care what your answer was, but stop with the browbeating and calling everyone liars.
I’m unconcerned about insulting people, you deserve to be insulted. I would’ve just answered the poll and moved on, except for all of the people who had to say “whoever answered option 1 IS SO FUCKED UP AND SICK” over and over again.
Have you never been insistent about a subject in which people were being grossly illogical, probably deliberately, for social reasons, and decided you were the enemy for being the only sane one around?
Again, to return to an analogy. If you asked 1000 regular men off the street if they’d have buttsex with a guy for a million dollars, 90%+ of them would say no. If you said “fuck yeah, for a million I can deal with some discomfort”, they’d say OH MAN NO WAY, NOT ME, I’M NO FAG!!! YOU’RE A FAG FOR BEING WILLING TO DO IT!!!
Yet if you pulled out a million dollar briefcase at that point, they’d drop their pants and bend over.
This whole thread is people calling me a fag for being honest and logical about something everyone else, when faced with the actual decision, would do. Hence the frustration. Saying “the poll results are on our side!” is the same thing as saying “90%+ of men say they wouldn’t get fucked in the ass for a million, you’re wrong!” - because we all know that answer is the socially easy one, and probably even mentally easy one, but it wouldn’t be the real one.
Who’s calling you a fag? You should report that. And why do you keep comparing gay sex to incest?
I reckon you’re wrong about the 90% of men, btw, and you’re definitely wrong about everyone on here being liars because they choose not to fuck their parents.
I know, at that point you just want to pet the person on the head and say “There, there.”
SenorBeef, I also agree with SciFiSam. You are convinced we are all lying, which really offends me and also makes me wonder WTF is the point of a poll if you won’t believe it?