Debate 10/15/19

I live in a very red part of a reasonably blue state.

There are rather severe limits and restrictions, but it’s entirely legal for individuals to own fully automatic weapons.

Exactly. And for the the reasons stated above, I would gladly jump through those legal hoops.

See, there Warren goes again: “Dream big, fight hard”. Why is that not the policy when it comes to Beto and Booker’s gun proposals?

ETA: And it’s absurd to allow anyone to own fully automatic weapons. We banned bump stocks, but don’t ban those? Pfffft.

Biden blew this electability segment.

But none of the three did well with it.

Pete is doing the best.

I believe that I have the right to protect my family. I also believe that if, and I do mean if it comes to it, I have the right to protect my fellow citizens who don’t agree with me on gun rights from maniacs that think that any yahoo should own one. Those are the ones I’m afraid of. Not the ones that have nukes. The people who target folks like Rep. Gifford and for that matter the asshole who shot up the softball game.

I think that Amy was very strong tonight. Sadly I don’t think it will make a difference.

My wife, who is a hardcore vegetarian. lacto but not ovo is sick of hearing about Corey being a vegan.

I agree , Cat. on both points, unfortunately. I’m in Pete’s camp after this. Just seems to answer the question. Instead of twisting the question to his preconceived talking points. Don’t get me wrong, he has his, but he also answers the questions asked.

Joe is so much better when he’s on script.

I only watched about 45 minutes of the debate tonight (started in on the tail end of wealth tax and watched Syria stuff and guns and perhaps something else), so I admittedly didn’t see the entire thing, but I’m left scratching my head by the positive responses here to Amy. My wife and I both said that she is just way to irritating to listen to and watch. Absolutely no presence, voice is too quivery, comes across too awkward. My wife asked how she’s even still in this (I believe her exact question was "Who listens to her and says, ‘Yep! That’s my candidate!’? ")

It was remarkable to me that the most eloquent and well-spoken candidate on foreign policy was the smallish-town mayor. Pete really came across as polished and forceful and intelligent on military, diplomacy and Middle Eastern policy.

The Pete and Beto exchange on guns was pretty entertaining. Beto is toast.

And the one thing that I’m sick and fucking tired of these candidates talking about (and I know this is gonna make me sound like an asshole) is poverty. Booker’s focus is too much on the poor. One of the candidates tonight (Castro? Beto?) mentioned “that guy at home tonight making minimum wage and who’s now considering driving for Uber to make ends meet.” Democrats need to shift their message away from poverty alleviation toward policies that matter to actual middle class voters, like my Uncle G and Cousin D and mother-in-law and union member friends. This is why Democrats have lost a lot of industrial midwestern voters to Trump: They’ve become the party of giving a handout to the poor at the expense of the middle class. Even if you ARE poor, you probably want to think of yourself as “middle class,” even if aspirationally. So talk to the middle class, not as the great hope of the poor.

Yes, I agree we need to lift all ships in this country when it comes to income, but for *most *people, they’re not living under a bridge, and they’re not making minimum wage, so when certain candidates use this language, they’re not doing anything to earn the vote of the average suburban or rural middle class voter. And that’s what the Dems need to beat Trump.

Personally, I’m now stuck somewhere between Pete and Warren, leaning heavily toward Warren. But perhaps if I watch more of the debate later, I’ll see something in Warren that gives me pause.

  1. Klobuchar
  2. Sanders
  3. Yang
  4. Steyer
  5. Biden
  6. Warren
  7. Booker
  8. Buttigieg
  9. Castro
  10. Harris
  11. Beto
  12. Gabbard

Same here. I don’t yet own a semi auto rifle but have considered it for the same reasons. I do own a handgun though.

The radical right wing terrorists aren’t giving up their guns. It is becoming very acceptable to be openly hostile to the left (minorities, liberals, LGBT, etc). Plus due to law enforcement sometimes siding with the right wing terrorists you may not be able to count on the police for help.

It isn’t well known, but a lot of black veterans of WW2 and the korean war provided armed guards to the college students who tried to register voters in the south.

Pete is BY FAR the most polished, authoritative, and all-around impressive of any of these people. BY FAR. He has consistently demonstrated this in every single debate.

A ticket of Buttegieg and Booker would knock it out of the park.

Well, CNN is making that argument TO HER during the post show.

Tell me CNN (and the NYT) are not trying to anoint her.

I’m fully not sure they’re not trying to anoint her right now. I will wholeheartedly vote for her in the general if that’s who y’all choose, but i have Pete in the primaries right now.

The double negative was intentional, just so you know.

I have to say, I’m not disgusted with her plans. I just think Pete’s are better. I will do virtually anything to keep the orange creep from a repeat.

I’m also not satisfied with her answer. She had her chance to enter into the minutia of the idea and refused. That may be a winning strategy for her , but it’s bullshit as far as integrity goes.