De'endee Mafia

The Game Room
1981

Well, I don’t really think it is Inner for the same reasons others are mentioning. I find it highly unlikely that he would have claimed as Doc under so little pressure with the risk of being counter-claimed. Suburban is more plausible as scum, since with our investigator already outed, it would not be guaranteed, but somewhat likely that we do not have a tracker or watcher. This, along with his tracks being generally unhelpful and his role in lynching TexCat makes him a prime suspect. Weedy’s role in lynching TexCat was the primary reason I thought she would be a good choice for a vig shot. She hasn’t really done much else that I remember as being scummy (I have not gone back and reread the thread, I am having enough trouble just keeping up with it at all at this point). As far as choie, I am not really convinced she is scum, but I don’t think we are going to get a real read on her either way, so I thought a vig shot would not be bad there either.
I honestly think it best to lynch either Red or Shadow toDay. I don’t have a strong preference which one, but I am voting for Shadow primarily because I don’t like his choice of blocking Pizza last Night instead of something that might have provided more information. His strong certaintly about Red also has the feel of someone who knows they will be suspicious if they sound like they are playing it safe and wants to sound confident, but is pushing it too far in the other direction. I also don’t want a possible scum hanging around with extra votes. I am fine with lynching Suburban once we get Red/Shadow figured out.

I think it highly likely that there is at least one scum in the Hirka, Weedy, choie, Stanislaus group (and I know that anyone else would include me in that group). I just got the feeling the first three Days that the scum were content to sit back and watch Town form a circular firing squad.
I would almost appreciate it if I could be vigged at this point. I am having trouble keeping up. Really the only reason not to is that I am actually a townie, but I am the only one that knows that and I don’t have any means to prove it.

1982

Hey look! My vote power worked. I’ve now demonstrated that I was not lying about *any *part of my claimed powers.

Keeping it simple for those having a hard time keeping up:
[ul]
[li]ShadowFacts: demonstrated all powers reported in role claim, providing reason to think he’s not lying*[/li][li]Red Skeezix: demonstrated jack squat, providing no reason whatsoever to think he’s not lying[/li][/ul]
*Yeah, yeah I know using my powers doesn’t mean I’m Town, but it does mean I was truthfully claiming my abilities.

1983

Quick thoughts

** Astral ** Thank you for the count
** ATPG ** You appear to have come full circle. * one of us needs a valium *
Your lock confuses me ‘specially with the vote count in front of me.

I don’t see the ‘playing safe’ kids getting lynched today but their days should be numbered.
I don’t trust  ** Red ** too much  and if the vig fails AGAIN death should be imminent  .
I don’t think ** pedescribe ** is a Town power (really…… ignoring the game this way? (or at best the players in it..) How would they use said power)

I don’t know nuffin more than y’all do (unless you are Scum) but I would suggest that if our “vig” lives ** pedescribe ** is a good target.

The number of “smells funny” players on ** Red **  *A. is equal to the number on ** Shadowfacts **  *B
(on my planet)

*A=** USCDiver ,, Stanislaus , Choie 
*B= ** gnarlycharlie , Hirka T'Bawa , Weedy

Of the bunch
** Shadowfacts ** at this time is most likely  in my mind to be the one being bussed.
Not locking anything
** vote Shadowfacts **
1984

[ underlining and resizing mine]

Yeah , kid (colloquialism) bringing that up helps your case a BUNCH.

1985

Whoa. I just caught that ShadowFacts is using all four of his votes on Red Skeezix. Again I do not like the double-vote mechanic, and I certainly don’t like a quadruple vote power being used to push someone else into the noose. That’s crazily undemocratic.

I still have another vote, so for now let’s split the difference:

Vote ShadowFacts

Edited to add:

No, you know what? I think that’s weasly. Either I believe ShadowFacts’s comments about Red Skeezix or I don’t. It doesn’t make sense to vote them both.

So as weird as it may be to unvote myself in the same post…

Unvote ShadowFacts

Sorry guys. I’m trying.

1986

Before the edit “staddling the fence” made you “smell even funnier” (I was writing a comment to that effect)
After the save your face edit it’s worse.

1987

well, you SHOULD know more than we do. :wink:

funnier than Suburban, Shadow, Red and Stix?

that would have been the scummiest thing you would have done. if others haven’t been paying attention to you yet, they are now, despite the unvote.

1988

Jeebus. I see it really pays to be sincere about one’s thought processes, doesn’t it?

1989

Yep If I wasn’t BLOCKED (nice stabby stabby gloat there)

I said ‘smells funny’ not smells ‘bad’ AND I’m not drinking the koolaid (btw who is Stix?)

no additional comment on that part.

1990

When you just pop in and do that is looks bad. Stick around. play the game. make mistakes.
It’s a learning curve

1991

Red Skeezix claims he was blocked by ShadowFacts one night (specifically by magic, not necessarily by ShadowFacts, ShadowFacts backs up this claim)
Red Skeezix claims he was blocked by a physical blow to the head another night (specifically).
Lightfoot claims she was blocked by magic on both of those nights, and indeed, since N2, obviously by a scum roleblocker.
Suburban Plankton claims to have been blocked N1 by a spell that couldn’t have come from special ed’s magic book, because it’s dissimilar from ShadowFacts’ block. And at
Meanwhile, Inner Stickler claims to have been a paranoid doctor and that this was reversed last night and that Stickler was NOT blocking Lightfoot.

Count them up. That’s at least 4 hypothetical persons with blocking powers. These are all different people, supposedly.

The fact is, at least 2 of those supposed blocks came from scumbags. And, we cannot verify that Stickler is a different blocker than the scum blocker. But we can verify that ShadowFacts hasn’t been blocking Lightfoot for 3 nights in a row. We can also verify that Red Skeezix wasn’t doing it due to being blocked by ShadowFacts.
One of those supposed blocks was inserted into the Suburban Plankton narrative to explain what has happened since N1, and this story hasn’t been confirmed by anyone. Also interesting is that Special Ed was supposedly blocked by Inner Stickler on that same night, so it couldn’t have been Special Ed.

It’s simple counting math. If you discard all the scummy behavior and the obviously mismatched spellcasting from Inner Stickler, you still have to explain why there are three other blockers in the game besides Stickler.

That’s ridiculous. And on at least one of those nights, we can verify that it was not Red Skeezix doing it, and it was not ShadowFacts doing it.

That means that someone besides Skeezix and ShadowFacts have been blocking Lightfoot. Someone with blocking powers.

Not only that, if we buy Skeezix’ story and I do, we also have to explain a physical roleblocker who apparently just arrived. I think that could be explained by a leveled-up scumbag. Possibly blocking instead of murdering.

But there’s just no way we have 4 roleblockers in this game (5 if you count ed). Count them down.

  1. ShadowFacts’ blocking power has been independently verified AND makes sense according to his role. And it was provably not being used on Lightfoot N3.

  2. **special ed’**s blocking power was the same as ShadowFacts and couldn’t have been responsible for some of those N1 blocks that Suburban claims to have happened. And his powers WERE REAL. He was too dead to block Lightfoot.

  3. Inner Stickler admits to having a magic-based roleblocking power, or at least HAD such a power, and was apparently caught using a magic spell on Lightfoot last night, of a type which does not appear to be clerical in nature, which explains why Lightfoot was blocked.

  4. Red Skeezix was apparently blocked by a different, physical roleblocker. This blocker has not claimed and should have claimed as townie if they were townie. This blocker is a scum blocker, or Skeezix is mafia. This blocker was too busy blocking Skeezix to be blocking Lightfoot N4.

  5. Suburban Plankton reports being blocked by a **“delayed” roleblocker **who has never appeared or claimed, which didn’t actually stop the results from going through, on an action that was supposed to inform me that I was being watched and I was not. This one is STILL not the blocker that blocked Lightfoot due to the delay effect.
    Count them up. That’s FIVE.

Two of them are guaranteed not to have been blocking Lightfoot on at least one of those three nights, one of them being dead, the other busy. One of them is guaranteed not to have been blocking Lightfoot LAST NIGHT, due to blocking Skeezix. Another one WAS BLOCKING LIGHTFOOT, in the exact same manner for all three nights, which reads exactly like what Inner Stickler was doing for all three nights.

The final one can’t be verified and hasn’t shown up since, and was put into Suburban Plankton’s explanation for what he’s been up to and in the story which defends Inner Stickler. That convenient and nonsensical roleblocker probably does not exist at all. And if it did exist, that one is STILL not the one blocking Lightfoot because the “delay” thing would have happened on N2 due to lack of level up.

So, according to math, Red Skeezix is scum for lying about being blocked or,

Inner Stickler is scum.

I can count to five. I know you guys can count to five. When 4 fingers are too busy doing other things to be poking Lightfoot in the brain, that leaves one remaining finger.

That finger belongs to the arcane wizard, Inner Stickler, and there’s actually testimonial evidence of such.
[SIZE=4]I’m going to repeat this over and over again for the rest of the day.
[/SIZE]

1992

And I’m sure it will be super effective.

1993

Also, PS. I claimed I protected lightfoot and Suburban says he saw me cast a helpful spell. In other words, if I flipped scum, he’d be lynched toot suite. So either we’re the most retarded scum team in existence or at most he’s scum trying to use me as a townie shield.

1994

I doubt it will be. But hey, you’re here. Why don’t you explain this.

Let’s say we lynch Skeezix today and he pops up town.

Now what? Explain what happened. We know “delay roleblocker” didn’t reach level 3 by night two to block Lightfoot. So that person in the writeup was YOU.

Draining strength. Causing headaches.

Suburban Plankton reports you using arcane somatic components before your spell last night, which had a colorful flash. That is not consistent with divine magic which clerics use.

What is the NAME of the spell you used?

1995

Do you want me to make something up?

1996

I claimed in a game that I scanned Renata with an item that DisgruntledGoat handed me, which was a one use item. Gosh, if someone caught me lying, that would have been Renata, myself, and DisgruntledGoat all dead. Yet I survived.

It’s taking calculated risks.

1997

Do what you like. You cannot explain 5 roleblockers in this game, 4 of which couldn’t have been blocking Lightfoot last night. That was you.

1998

The vote count isn’t locked up yet, and there’s still time.
[ul]
[li]I have mathematical evidence that Inner Stickler is lying. He’s the only one left capable of blocking Lightfoot.[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]I have testimonial evidence that Inner Stickler is lying. Suburban was probably trying to give Stickler cover, but he incriminated Stickler with those descriptions. As such, either he’s scum or Stickler’s scum or both are scum.[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]I have behavioral and voting evidence that Stickler is related to septimus.[/li][/ul]

I will do what I must, Lightfoot. And I know I probably won’t get what I want this round. But, when ShadowFacts is dead and Red Skeezix is dead, and I am dead, my dead bony finger of death will be pointing directly at Inner Stickler for the remainder of the game.
I’m not trying to get my way, I’m trying to show you guys what I see.

If you look at it and don’t see it, then maybe it is a mirage. But if it is not, then Inner Stickler and Suburban Plankton told you a story and you chose to believe it. It’s a fair play. If that wins them the game, so be it. I do not begrudge them for excellent play. And if I am wrong, then all the better you’re not listening to me.

Let the chips fall where they may. Let the game unfold. Let the best players win.

But until I die, I will be making sure someone looks at this evidence, and as of yet, no one has been able to make it go away or explain it even slightly.

1999

I think this is pretty much our last chance to see eye-to-eye about anything in this game, my friend.

I know I must be frustrating the hell out of you, but look…

Your own tracking description shows obviously not clerical magic being used. Sure, it said it was “helpful”, but a paranoid doctor protection is *technically *helpful.

It’s not just the color! If it were only the color, my man, I’d have nothing. You also have to count down each and every other roleblocker in the game, and I can demonstrate why ShadowFacts can’t have been doing it due to him being busy elsewhere, I can show special ed is dead and didn’t do it, I can show you that from your own description of the event, the “delay” blocker would have caused a different effect to Lightfoot on N2 and possibly N3 than what Lightfoot experienced, because upgrades happen on level 3, not level 2. So you cannot explain what happened to Lightfoot as being caused by delay blocker.

That’s three that cannot be Lightfoot’s N2, N3, and N4 blocker

Red Skeezix reported being blocked by a physical blow to the head N4. That means he couldn’t have been blocked by Lightfoot’s blocker N4.

The only person in the game capable of roleblocking remaining is Inner Stickler, who just happened to turn into a not-paranoid doctor last night, just in the nick of time.

That’s 4 who cannot have done it, and one who could have done it.

Add that to your own arcane magic description. It’s your *own *investigation results, SP… if he was blocking Lightfoot then he’s lying about not being a paranoid doctor.

And a cleric’s healing powers don’t cause draining strength, headaches, or the kind of malevolent descriptions Lightfoot has experienced. And they don’t come in the form of colorful bursts with arcane somatic components beforehand.

And the color in the descriptions means something, or else there wouldn’t be magical roleblockers and physical blows to the head and descriptions like “tired and sweaty, sore” and “refreshed and well rested”.

The color is not to be ignored. Your own results are not to be ignored. Basic mathematics is not to be ignored.

Suburban, if you don’t throw down on Inner Stickler, I have to assume you’re scum with him.

2000

Anywho. I think that exorcises the demon inside me for now.

By all means, lynch ShadowFacts. And regardless of if he pops scum or not, you also have to figure Red Skeezix has to die at some point by murder or whatever. When he pops townie, I just want folks to remember that ShadowFacts couldn’t have been blocking Lightfoot for 3 nights, and Red Skeezix wasn’t lying about being roleblocked.

Until you lynch the scum roleblocker or the scum roleblocker ends up dead by other means, regardless of the unlikely-ness of the scenario that Stickler is the scum blocker, or the fear of loss should you lose a townie doctor, you should consider he’s been blocking Lightfoot last night and is scum.

As the game unfolds, the option of Skeezix lying about being blocked will disappear. ShadowFacts being responsible for this, as an option, will also disappear.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

If Stickler remains alive and the scum blocker isn’t found, then what I’ve said deserves at least a passing glance. Perhaps a full re-read.