De'endee Mafia

Half of me wants to get lynched just so I can see Pizza’s head EXPLODE! :smiley:


OK, only a few hours left, so I better get posting on my candidates before my time is up. Remember, all of the following should be taken in the light of the fact that I will turn up Town when lynched. This analysis is not for toDay, it’s for toMorrow. So, without further ado:
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ShadowFacts’ Handy Guide to Lynching Scum**
Candidate 1: Red Skeezix
Seriously, this is a NO-BRAINER. Once I flip, you must lynch him tomorrow. This is how a one-for-one Town/Scum trade works for Town. If you don’t lynch him tomorrow, it will be a massive error (and flush most of my work in this game down the toilet). So if you pay attention to nothing else I say, listen to this: Lynch Red Skeezix tomorrow. Just double vote him immediately upon dawn so you can’t get distracted by all the noise. Please, please, please do not listen to Pizza tomorrow if he tries to convince you otherwise. Stickler and anyone else can wait their turn on the scaffold!

That’s the easy one. More coming.

And none of you wants Inner Stickler to get lynched even to save your butt.

Yes, for you must die this round instead of lynching Stickler, because 100% chance of a townie death is better than any chance at all that Pizza might have been correct.

If he comes up scum, will your head EXPLODE

You’d rather die than see that day. You’d rather get lynched than Stickler. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Yes, yes, yes. It’s important to emphasize your innocence and not even look at the reasons why Inner Stickler is guilty even a little bit, because if you’re innocent you KNOW you didn’t block Lightfoot and if you’re innocent you know that you blocked Red Skeezix who also couldn’t have been blocking Lightfoot the night prior.

So yes, time to get lynched today, because that will help the townies more than lynching the obviously useless and non-threatening will never get murdered townie doctor paranoid not-paranoid cleric arcane wizard who is certain he will never die and likes to tell everyone in the game paranoid doctor, paranoid doctor, paranoid doctor because doctors play that way, they insist on discussing paranoid doctors instead of regular doctors, and they also like to talk mostly about leveling mechanics.

ZOMG GUYS please don’t listen to pizza, don’t discuss ANYTHING, and shorten the day as much as humanly possible please it’s the ONLY TOWNIE THING you could possibly do and by the way even after my death proves me innocent and incapable of blocking Lightfoot and if Red Skeezix pops up townie FOR THE LOVE OF CRUMBS do not follow up on Inner Stickler and don’t listen to pizza and don’t discuss anything and please please please don’t think about anything!

Please don’t think! PLEASE!

Here you go ShadowFacts, I’ll make a deal with you.

Quadruple vote lock yourself for death today.

You come up townie, I’ll double vote Red Skeezix EVERY DAY UNTIL HE DIES and I will be loud and obnoxious and insist that he dies every day until he dies.

You come up scum, I lynch Inner Stickler.
Do it.

Lol.

Kiddo wants to play PBSKids; I"ll be back in an hour or so to see if anything more’s been written that makes a difference to me and finalize my vote.

All townies please observe the following:

ShadowFacts alone could overturn this tally and Weedy isn’t going to be lynched and Mental Guy isn’t going to be lynched.

That means, by definition, you’re not lynching scums today with the above tally.
Here’s a little play for you:
Askthepizzaguy: Inner Stickler is a traitor! Or ShadowFacts is a traitor!

ShadowFacts: No, Red Skeezix is the traitor! So what if townie Pizzaguy and Red Skeezix lynched the godfather while I sat there and watched? You must lynch Red Skeezix and why in the blue hell are you even listening to ATPG and why would you discuss ANYTHING tomorrow?

Askthepizzaguy: I have the power to save the town you love. You must CHOOSE!

ShadowFacts: Don’t listen to him townies, ugh!

Askthepizzaguy: Don’t let him kill Skeezix! Help me! HELP ME!

ShadowFacts: I’m going to end this once and for all! Don’t listen to pizza, lalalalalalala

Askthepizzaguy: He has control of the quadruple vote and he could have blocked Lightfoot, he’s too dangerous to be left alive!

ShadowFacts: I’m super sure it’s Skeezix! After I die, lynch Skeezix!

Askthepizzaguy: ORLY? Well since I’m going to get you lynched today anyway, why don’t you lock the votes in on yourself and prove you’re a townie. I’ll do as you ask and lynch Skeezix tomorrow if you’re townie!

ShadowFacts: ERRR UMMM NOPE.

Askthepizzaguy: Isn’t that essentially what you’re asking me to do? Lynch Skeezix when you die and flip townie?

ShadowFacts: DONT LISTEN TO PIZZA LALALALALALALA

#** Shadowfacts **is locked in can’t change anything

not sure where you are going with the other two (although either one of them would be a fine alternative)

Point of order, he’s not locked in.

The game host did not bold his votes. He has 4 votes… he’s not locked in because he used the power on himself this round to single-handedly decide this lynch if you didn’t listen to me and lynch him.

The other two aren’t going to be lynched, there’s no consensus. You have to pick between Inner Stickler (no consensus, but obviously a good lynch) ShadowFacts (who is threatening to overturn your votes anyway by himself) and Red Skeezix (who helped me lynch the godfather and is mainly the sole reason why *ANY *SCUM IS DEAD)

Um, Pizza? My vote is already locked in on Skeezix, as well as the Vote power on myself. I can’t change anything. I realize that you’ve just about gone off the rails here, but it’s good to stick to the facts. :stuck_out_tongue:

Hey, look at those FACTS, SHADOW…SOMETHING!

**Your votes AREN’T BOLDED.

Your 4-vote ISN’T COUNTED.

This is the GAME HOST’S OFFICIAL TALLY.

**

Not even a Shadow of a Facts in your statement, is there?

Remember, all of the following should be taken in the light of the fact that I will turn up Town when lynched. This analysis is not for toDay, it’s for toMorrow. So, without further ado:
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ShadowFacts’ Handy Guide to Lynching Scum**
Candidate 2: Normal Phase
This one is not as easy to prove as Red Skeezix, and in fact I cannot prove anything. But as the person who knows he is Town and has been the victim of Normal’s campaign, it’s very easy for me to see how her campaign against me has been based on absolutely nothing. I am hopeful that, upon review and knowing I am Town, it will become clearer to you what she’s done. Her posting has been prolific, so I do not have the time to track down everything, but I will give you some examples.

Here is the post where she first begins her campaign on me. I made a toss off, minor comment about how the fact that we didn’t get a full reveal on Scathach was a bummer, and she jumps all over it, voting me immediately. Note: From this point on, just about every single thing I say/do is read by Normal as scummy. Examples:

Day Two, I made a case against and voted for Silver Jan. After that, ed and others made a case and started voting for Pizza Guy. I made a comment that I found that case increasingly convincing (having previously stated that I was leaning Town on Pizza). Normal immediately comes back with this post, stating: “Isn’t that interesting. No vote, either.” So she finds me suspicious for commenting on Pizza but not voting. Sadly, however, she had previously said:

[QUOTE=Normal Phase]
If someone makes a case on A and you agree that it is a good one, you don’t HAVE TO vote that person, particularly right away. You can look for other candidates, to see if they tempt you to more or less the same extent. And if you find a candidate B who does, then you have the option of voting that person instead, so potentially you have pressure on two suspicious people, instead of just one. It’s not a question of being dishonest; it’s a question of playing smart, really.
[/QUOTE]

Note how it’s fine in the general, but not if I do it.

Next she creates a review of my posts to date to find the scummy motivation behind everything I do. ** I strongly recommend you go back and read this post!** You will know when you do that all the “reads” she has of my scumminess here are invented.

Next we have her infamous (in my mind, anyway) post where she accuses me of “constantly disavowing your first [vote] even as you place it.” We went back and forth over this at the time, and whether or not you think it is a lie, it is at the very least a large overstatement. Like everything else she wants to hold against me, she has to make shit up and/or blow things out of proportion to make me look bad.

OK, I’m afraid that’s all I have time for, but there is definitely more. The main takeaway is that Normal has hounded me for days based on completely made up crap that you will know is completely made up when I flip. My flip is going to be bad for her, so I am sure she is going to try to argue that I was “acting scummy” all this time and that she’s just a townie who got a bad read. I don’t think that’s true. Am I 100% convinced she is scum? No. It’s hard not to feel some OMGUS when someone does this to you, but I am 80% convinced, and I think that’s good enough for mafia.
PS. I think someone should also take another look at the end of Day 3 when Texcat was lynched. I can’t go back and look at the sequence right now, but Normal started that Texcat case, and I think there is a decent chance that Texcat’s lynch was designed to save septimus if the case against me did not get enough traction. It’s worth a look.

I see you’re wearing your lollerskates… :smiley:

Jesus,Pizza, you are really something else. The moderator obviously made a bolding error. See my two votes for Red Skeezix? There they are. That means I’m locked in. See the fact that Red has 7 votes counted even though there are only 5 listed. That means I used my power, exactly like I said I was going to.

If it will make you feel better:
**Moderator, can you confirm that I am locked in and bold my votes on the next count please? **

Seriously, you are going completely woo-woo here.

ummm **Pizza ** your crust is burning.
There are 7 votes on ** Red ** and only 5 names

Okay, retracted. You’re locked in on Red Skeezix. Which was exactly what you were going to do all round long, and didn’t want to discuss anything else.

And tomorrow, in spite of the events of tonight, no matter what happens, we’ve got to lynch Red Skeezix. No discussion, everybody lock in.

That’s super.

My bad. His votes are both counted and locked. The bolding is really just a convenience for you guys.

Okay, I get it. Now, we understand this: If Shadow flips townie, he wasn’t blocking Lightfoot last night, right? And Red Skeezix wasn’t either, because he was blocked by SF the night prior and the color is the same for N3 and N4.

So that means that someone else was blocking you. And it wasn’t special ed. And it wasn’t the delaying blocker. And it wasn’t the guy who was blocking Red Skeezix last night because he was busy.

So, if it’s not Inner Stickler who did it, that means there is a sixth roleblocker in this game, or Red Skeezix is scum.

You scan Skeezix tonight, and Suburban tracks Skeezix tonight, and our “doctor” protects you tonight. And we eliminate that option.

So will that lead to the conclusion that Inner Stickler did it?

Oh I’ve grown weary of this. I won’t mention Inner Stickler or anything he’s done or any of the reasons why he needs to die for the remainder of this game. That’s a promise. If I live, I’ll be ready to vote for him if someone else is.

I’m done trying to persuade anyone. I’m also going to watch this round unfold without further comment. Go ahead ShadowFacts, you have the floor. Make your cases on people. I’ve been rude to try to shout you down. Have a nice day guys.

This is becoming painful to watch.

(I thought Red was a Vig how could he be blocking anyone?)

I know you would like for the majority to see things the same way you do (I have the same mind set) But that is just not the case.

You don’t appear to be seeing any grey areas and your communication style is making it hard (for some of us) to sort out our own thoughts.

If we follow your ideas at the end of the Day we would be left again with the ** Shadowfacts vs Red ** debate for another Day. And possibly a Dead Doc (who you have decided to NOT allow a chance to prove himself)

The debate seems to be distracting the hunt for other Lords of Slaughter. I don’t like a ‘bad lynch’ any more than the next Defender (and hope we don’t have one) BUT with that OFF the table mayhaps we can make some REAL progress the next day.
Another thing. I have often been told colour is just colour so I don’t read near as much into that as you have = to each his own of course

To answer your simple direct question before I go:

[SPOILER]The Lords of Slaughter, if the setup is similar to other games on here, will each be able to murder, including those who can do other tasks. If the assumption is that Red is guilty and claimed vig, if he’s guilty he may be able to do other things besides kill. That means he was on the list of suspects for who blocked you, even though I didn’t believe that idea. I was showing evidence that it wasn’t him.

As a vigilante, it also wasn’t him. That means it wasn’t him regardless of alignment.

-sorry, leaving now-[/SPOILER]

Hey Pizza, I do think it’s a good idea for you to take a little break. I like the way you play, I wish more people here played with the energy and enthusiasm you have. You just took a little bus ride into crazytown there for a bit.

I’m not trying to stifle discussion of Inner Stickler or anyone else. I’m pro-discussion of who might be scum, etc. But when it comes to voting, we have a simple situation to handle before we act on anyone else. Either Red is lying or I am lying. Lynch one, if he turns up Town, lynch the other. We’re guaranteed to net a scum out of this. Guaranteed.

Simple, lots of information gained, scum killed. Other candidates can and should wait their turn to get lynched until this scenario is resolved.