choie - I got confused and thought that Weedy voted MentalGuy twice after I locked in on gnarly. Of course she already had one vote down on MG before I locked in, and the two consecutive posts after where she votes MG were just clarification of her unvote on you.
So the sequence was:
I lock in (6-3)
Mental self-preserves (6-4)
choie swaps (5*-5)
Weedy votes MG (6-5)
you lock in (6*-6)
If MG had flipped scum, choie would look very suspicious in this scenario. As it is, Weedy made an unnecessary vote to absolutely ensure Mental was lynched ahead of gnarly. The motivation I can see for that is scum defending another scum, specifically the role-blocker. (Either that or Weedy is mistaken town, but very certain about her mistake.)
Ahhhh okay, I see what you meant then. I didn’t realize you were talking about her vote timing vs. yours.
But a scum gnarlycharlie (if scum he be) wouldn’t necessarily need to be a roleblocker for a scum Weedy to want to protect him. If there are only two of 'em left, she’d have been trying to preserve what’s left of her Lordly Kin. Only makes sense that every scum matters (just as every townie does, at this point).
I don’t understand choie’s behaviour yesterday, as Town or scum, though it makes more sense as scum. She had a vote on Mental Guy, which is a weak vote that she will probably move. Only she doesn’t move it all day, until you decide to stir the pot. Then there is suddenly a chance to lynch gnarly and she jumps on it. She could have vote for him at any point in the day, but it looks like she didn’t want to vote him, unless it got him lynched. Did she suddenly decide to bus? It would have looked pretty good for her, but, wow, brave move. Did she want to get rid of charlie? Maybe she thought he was more likely to vote for her than Mental Guy was. She didn’t double vote. I think if she decided to bus, she would have gone all in, and double-voted charlie on the spot. I think she liked the idea of charlie dead, but didn’t want to look responsible.
If she is Town, then she didn’t vote charlie all day for some reason that I don’t know, and then decided to swap at the last minute for some other reason that I don’t know. I mean, nothing changed. No new arguments, charlie didn’t say anything. It’s just that there was suddenly an opportunity to get him lynched. So, yeah, I have ideas what scum choie was up to, but I have no idea what town choie was up to.
My thoughts on Gnarly are that he has been pretty uninvolved with the game, and his votes are not great, which he freely admits. I think he is less likely to be partners with choie, both for choie’s vote yesterday, and because he voted for her instead of Red, when Red got lynched.
Yes, choie. You are my main suspect. My case on you is completely independent of my case on Mental Guy.
Couldn’t be bothered? Maybe it was really early in the morning for him, and he didn’t get back in time. Though not living in the U.S. is an obvious scum tell, it’s true.
Weak, watery light filtered down through the thick cloud cover. The few townspeople still alive wandered out in a daze, their bodies and minds numb. A thin drizzle of rain muted the colors and sounds of the morning.
The center of town was gone, the magical fire burning away long into the night. Dozens of houses stood empty, either deserted or the site of grisly murders. The few adventurers left were already awake.
“They got Inner Stickler.”
“Great.”
“How come he didn’t protect himself?”
“Mayhaps he was protectin’ somebody else? Or he just plain couldn’t.”
“Okay, everyone, listen up!” The mayor shouted. “We’re getting out of here. Pack up what you can.”
The barbarian shook his head. “Storm’s gettin’ worse. We get out there,” he gestured at the surrounding woods, “we’ll be picked off one by one by the Lords of Slaughter. Or worse.”
The mayor quivered. “Tomorrow, then.”
“If we last that long.”
Inner Stickler, a cleric and one of the Defenders of De’endee, is dead. Day has arrived, and will last until September 2nd at 5 pm central time.
By the way, something I’ve wanted to know – when someone on the Scum side is lynched, do they still have access to the scum boards? Are they able to help strategize and so on? Or do they get locked out so they can’t influence the remaining scumbuddies?
I’m just wondering if the remaining Lords are getting any assists from their dead cohorts. My guess is not, since that would be way unfair, but you never know in this game. (Also it’s enlightening to contemplate if there’ve been any changes in strategy as the major power roles and players – highly experienced folks like Red and septimus – were forced out of the mix, leaving less experience scum behind.)
Oy veh, all right, I was wrong about Inner. I certainly apologize. In fact, I’m glad I was wrong – it’s a relief not to worry about an unvoteable Scum.
It’ll be interesting to see how the next vote pans out. I can already feel the noose around my neck.
Um, this whole post makes no sense. You think choie is scum trying to bus gnarly at the end of the day, but then all of a sudden two paragraphs later he’s not likely to be partners with her because of her votes? That’s pretty kooky stuff man.
Generally, they still have access, but aren’t allowed to post. Just like in the Game thread. This game could be different, but yes, that would be considered a bit unfair.
Do you know gnarly’s alignment for sure? Because I don’t. If they are both scum, she was bussing him. If she is scum and he isn’t, she was trying to get rid of him, maybe because he might vote for her. If they are both town, I have no idea what she was doing.
I think the second option is the most likely, but I can’t actually rule out any of them. Which ones can you rule out? How do you know?
Let me make sure I got this straight. You’re arguing that **choie’s **voting yesterday was more scummy than yours because she was attempting to bus **gnarly **and yet you don’t think that **gnarly **is scum. I don’t know anything but what I read here. And that doesn’t make any sense. Sure you could argue their alignments both ways, but you can’t then use it as a defense for why your voting was less scummy. If they’re both scum then fine, your voting wasn’t scummy. If they’re both town, then you must be Scum. If one is scum and the other isn’t, then your defense of yourself doesn’t hold water.
Oh crap on a bun, I’m wrong again. SHUT UP CHOIE. :smack: I had been thinking that gnarlycharlie was in Florida all this time, but now I realize I was thinking of Askthepizzaguy. My apologies to gnarlycharlie. (Not that living in Florida’s a bad thing, mind you. Well. Except during presidential elections and hurricanes. :D)
OK, maybe I have run the ideas together, and should have used two separate paragraphs.
I am saying that it is possible that they are both scum, and choie decided to bus at the last minute. It would have got her a heap of cred, but it would be pretty bold.
It is also possible that gnarly is innocent, and choie saw a chance to get rid of him and took it. Is there any reason why choie would prefer to get rid of charlie over Mental Guy if both charlie and Mental Guy were town? Yes, there is. Charlie has voted for choie in the past, and Mental Guy has supported her.
I think the second option is more likely, because gnarly and choie don’t look like scum partners to me, because he voted for her before (the day Red was lynched). Also, she didn’t double vote, which would have been decisive, and would have looked bad for her if charlie flipped town. I think she just wanted to help that lynch along a little bit, and have someone else finish it off.
For completeness:
Is there a reason why choie is townie, and suddenly decides at 15 minutes to EoD that gnarly is a better lynch than Mental Guy? I don’t know, but maybe choie could tell us what she was thinking there.
I am looking at different options, because I am trying to work out what is going on.
As for me, I had a vote on Mental Guy for a lot of the day. I thought choie might switch her vote and she did. So I revoted him.
Stanislaus wrote the vote order wrong, which is confusing people, I think.
On preview: My previous post was to Diver, not choie.
OK, I first voted Mental Guy at 9 hours before EoD. So I hadn’t voted him all day, but it was not a last minute vote the way Stanislaus painted it. I double-voted him after choie voted gnarly, and in response to that.
All you choie believers, what do you think she was doing at EoD? Why did she swap votes? Why did she say she would move her vote off Mental Guy, and then not do that, until charlie was close to being lynched?
I already said at the time what I was thinking, but I admit that what I’m thinking isn’t always rational.
First, please do remember that all along I found gnarlycharlie less townie than MentalGuy. As I said, I voted MentalGuy tentatively, influenced by Normal’s steadfast belief in his guilt. I really thought the dead townies should be paid attention to. (Since they’re totally confirmed as innocent.)
Then, at the end of the Day, I looked at what seemed like a very sudden pile-on of votes on MentalGuy and saw that nearly everyone who’d voted for him was on my “likely to be scum” list. Whereas in gnarlycharlie’s corner was… Stanislaus and MentalGuy. So ignoring the latter (who would naturally be expected to place a vote on someone other than himself), I was left with Stanislaus vs. gnarlycharlie, Weedy, Inner Stickler and USCDiver.
This latter list wasn’t one I wanted to be on – I mean, no offense intended to y’all, but I’m on record as disbelieving Inner (sigh), gnarlycharlie and Weedy.
So I said to myself, “choie, fuck loyalty to the dead. Go with your original gut instincts (which were that gnarlycharlie seems scummier than MentalGuy) and get the hell off the MentalGuy train.”
In NYC, sometimes you get on certain subway cars and you don’t like the looks of your fellow passengers. It’s a vibe, y’know? In those cases, a smart NYC gal knows to follow her instincts and change cars ASAP.
So that’s basically it. I didn’t immediately double-vote gnarlycharlie because I never double-vote simultaneously. It’s in my DNA. (Seriously, the only other time I’ve locked on anyone – Hirka – was also not done simultaneously. I hate double-voting so much that I tend to Hamletize before I place that lock on anyone.)
When I saw you’d trumped me, I had to place my second vote on gnarlycharlie in the vain hopes that Inner would see the light and change his vote too. (Though I doubted it because I really really did think Inner was scum. IT ALL ADDED UP I tells ya! :D)
So. That’s my dealio. Believe it or decry it as thou will’t.
I don’t know your schedule, so I don’t know when you were looking at the thread, but there was not a sudden pile-on of votes to Mental Guy, there was a sudden pile-on of votes to gnarlycharlie. People voted for Mental Guy throughout the day.
I dunno, when I first looked at the thread it was like 3 - 1. Next time it seemed that everyone was double-locking on MentalGuy. So naturally I had to rush to save MentalGuy. Who, let’s not forget, was a townie.
As far as “well, you’d probably prefer a dead townie gnarlycharlie than a dead townie MentalGuy” theory goes… eh. Seems to me that if I were scum, the remaining townies would all just be cannonfodder to me, except Inner and Stanislaus. Heck, you’ve been on my case way more than gnarlycharlie and in fact, he only recently said I looked more townie to him lately.
So a scumchoie would’ve won either way. Why make myself look horrible by switching and putting myself through all this tsuris?
But this whole post is silly and useless, because if I’ve learned anything, it’s that any defense can be made to look equally guilty with a simple flip of the logic switch. So go on, scheme your schemes and plot your plots to put a noose around my neck.
Of course the really funny thing is if you, gnarlycharlie and I are all townie and it’s Stanislaus and USCDiver sniggling behind their hands.
