De'endee Mafia

[Normal_Phase]

gnarly I think you really mischaracterize Mental Guy there. You write off as “just game mechanics” several posts that were considerably more game-specific than you describe. This for instance:

Each Mod makes their own rules, but the standard operating procedure here is to give them accounts on a separate board where they can talk. It is fairly common to only allow the scum to talk privately at Night (but allowing communication any time is not unusual either).

If Kelly is scum and in contact with his partners, then I think they would have convinced him that the “hash-tag” post was not a good thing to do. If Kelly is scum and not in contact with his partners, then he may not have realized what a bad idea it was. So, I think his actions are slightly more likely (as scum) if scum are not allowed to communicate with each other during the Day, but I find it unlikely to be something done by scum either way.

is not just:

discusses more mechanics and possible communication between scum.

It’s discussing Kelly’s actions specifically (and how they relate to what scum might do). So not only do I have the issue with you that “you just did what you’re voting someone else for” cases are so often wrong, but also that I think you are mischaracterizing Mental Guy’s actions regardless. He’s been about as focused on finding and evaluating suspects as you could want; to the extent he still fails to look outright townie for it, it’s because on the whole he looks to have been playing quite safe. (His most conspicuous actions being defense of a now-known townie and a solid but easy enough case on you.)

When you defended yourself against him yesterDay you didn’t really defend; you counterattacked (on the grounds you’ve just now laid out with quotes and all). What made you decide to look at Mental Guy’s own posting record at that point; or were you already familiar with it and just hadn’t said anything?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@gnarlycharlie

Pizza, your post on Choie was very detailed and very convincing. i’m rather confused as why you seem to be trying to convince yourself that she might be town.

Well…

Somewhere in that wall-o-words I mentioned I spent 9 hours in a car thinking about it. It’s either a brilliant case or a giant pile of cow dung, and there’s nothing in between.

So, on the chance that I’m wrong (perish the thought) I thought WHAT IF I’M WRONG and I constructed a new scenario in my brain matter.

By the way, the results of my name-mentioning ‘contest’ are finally finished, due to nappy time being over.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NUMBER OF POSTS A PLAYER IS MENTIONED, BY PLAYER

[SPOILER]Normal Phase

septimus- 1111111111111111111
Silver Jan- 1111111111111
pedescribe- 1111111
Kelly- 111111111111
stanislaus- 111
choie- 11
ATPG- 111111111111111111111
Diver- 111
Scathach- 11111
koldanar- 1111
special ed- 11111111
Inner Stickler- 11
MentalGuy- 11
Romanic- 11
ShadowFacts- 111111111
Lightfoot- 11111
gnarliecharlie- 111
Suburban Plankton- 1
TexCat- 1
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa- 1

Suburban Plankton

Normal Phase- 111111
septimus- 111111111
Silver Jan- 1111111
pedescribe- 11
Kelly- 111111111
stanislaus- 1
choie- 111
ATPG- 1111111111
Diver- 0
Scathach- 1111
koldanar- 111111
special ed- 11111111
Inner Stickler- 1
MentalGuy- 1
Romanic- 11
ShadowFacts- 11
Lightfoot- 11
gnarliecharlie- 0
TexCat- 1
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa- 0

LightFoot

Suburban Plankton- 0
Normal Phase-0
septimus- 0
Silver Jan- 1
pedescribe- 0
Kelly- 1
stanislaus- 0
choie- 0
ATPG- 1
Diver- 1
Scathach- 1
koldanar- 1
special ed- 11
Inner Stickler- 0
MentalGuy- 0
Romanic- 0
ShadowFacts- 0
gnarliecharlie- 1
TexCat- 0
Red Skeezix- 0
Hirka T’bawa- 0

ShadowFacts

Suburban Plankton- 1
Normal Phase- 1111111
septimus- 111
Silver Jan- 111111
pedescribe- 11
Kelly- 111111111
stanislaus- 1
choie- 1
ATPG- 1111111111
Diver- 0
Scathach- 111
koldanar- 1
special ed- 1
Inner Stickler- 1
MentalGuy-
Romanic- 11
Lightfoot- 1
gnarliecharlie- 0
TexCat- 0
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa- 0

choie

Suburban Plankton- 111
Normal Phase- 1111111111
septimus- 111111
Silver Jan- 11111111111111
pedescribe- 1
Kelly- 1111111
stanislaus- 11
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 111111111111
Diver- 11
Scathach-
koldanar- 1
special ed- 1111
Inner Stickler-
MentalGuy- 1
Romanic- 111
Lightfoot-
gnarliecharlie-
TexCat- 11
Red Skeezix-
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy- 1

Inner Stickler

Suburban Plankton- 1
Normal Phase- 11
septimus- 1
Silver Jan- 111
pedescribe-
Kelly-
stanislaus-
ShadowFacts-1
ATPG- 11
Diver-
Scathach-
koldanar-
special ed- 1
choie- 1
MentalGuy-
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 1
gnarliecharlie-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-

gnarlycharlie

Suburban Plankton- 1
Normal Phase- 1
septimus- 1111
Silver Jan- 11
pedescribe-
Kelly- 1111
stanislaus- 1
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 111111
Diver- 11
Scathach-
koldanar- 1
special ed- 11
choie- 1
MentalGuy- 11
Romanic-
Lightfoot-
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-

Stanislaus

Suburban Plankton- 1
Normal Phase- 1111
septimus- 111
Silver Jan- 111
pedescribe- 11111
Kelly- 1111
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts- 1
ATPG- 1111
Diver- 11
Scathach- 1
koldanar- 111
special ed- 11
choie-
MentalGuy- 1
Romanic- 1
Lightfoot- 111
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-

MentalGuy

Suburban Plankton- 1111
Normal Phase- 1
septimus- 111
Silver Jan- 1111
pedescribe- 11
Kelly- 11111
gnarlycharlie- 11
ShadowFacts- 1
ATPG- 1111
Diver-
Scathach- 11
koldanar- 1111
special ed-
choie- 1
Stanislaus- 1
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-

pedescribe

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase-
septimus-
Silver Jan- 1
MentalGuy-
Kelly-
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 11
Diver- 1
Scathach-
koldanar-
special ed- 1
choie- 111
Stanislaus-
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix-
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-
septimus

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 11
pedescribe
Silver Jan- 1
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 1
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 111111
Diver-
Scathach-
koldanar- 1
special ed- 1
choie- 1
Stanislaus-
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 11
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix- 1
Hirka T’bawa-
Weedy-

Weedy

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 111
pedescribe- 1
Silver Jan- 1111111
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 111
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 1111
Diver-
Scathach- 1
koldanar-
special ed- 1111
choie- 111
Stanislaus-
Romanic-
Lightfoot-
Inner Stickler-
TexCat-
Red Skeezix-
Hirka T’bawa-
septimus- 111

TexCat

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 1
pedescribe-
Silver Jan- 11
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 111
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 11
Diver-
Scathach-
koldanar-
special ed- 11
choie- 1
Stanislaus-
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Red Skeezix-
Hirka T’bawa-
septimus- 1

USCDiver

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase-
pedescribe- 1
Silver Jan- 1
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 1
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 111
TexCat-
Scathach-
koldanar-
special ed-
choie-
Stanislaus-
Romanic- 1
Lightfoot-
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Red Skeezix-
Hirka T’bawa-
septimus-

Red Skeezix

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 11
pedescribe- 1
Silver Jan- 1111
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 111
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts- 11
ATPG- 1
TexCat-
Scathach-
koldanar- 1
special ed-
choie- 1
Stanislaus-
Romanic- 1
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Diver-
Hirka T’bawa-
septimus- 1

Hirka T’Bawa

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 1
pedescribe- 1
Silver Jan- 1
MentalGuy-
Kelly-
gnarlycharlie- 1
ShadowFacts- 111
ATPG- 1
TexCat-
Scathach- 1
koldanar-
special ed-
choie-
Stanislaus-
Romanic-
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Diver-
Red Skeezix-
septimus- 11

Romanic

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase- 111
pedescribe-
Silver Jan-
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 1111
gnarlycharlie- 1
ShadowFacts-
ATPG- 111
TexCat-
Scathach-
koldanar- 11
special ed-
choie-
Stanislaus-
Hirka-
Lightfoot-
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Diver-
Red Skeezix-
septimus-

Koldanar

Suburban Plankton-
Normal Phase-
pedescribe- 11
Silver Jan-
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 1
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts- 11
ATPG- 11
TexCat-
Scathach- 1
koldanar-
special ed-
choie-
Stanislaus- 1
Hirka-
Lightfoot-
Inner Stickler-
Weedy-
Diver-
Red Skeezix-
septimus-

Askthepizzaguy

Suburban Plankton- 111111
Normal Phase- 1111111
pedescribe- 111
Silver Jan- 11111111
MentalGuy-
Kelly- 11111111111
gnarlycharlie-
ShadowFacts- 11111
Romanic- 11
TexCat-
Scathach- 11
koldanar- 1111111111
special ed- 1111
choie- 111111111
Stanislaus- 1
Hirka-
Lightfoot- 1
Inner Stickler-
Weedy- 1
Diver- 1
Red Skeezix- 1111
septimus- 111111111111111111111111[/SPOILER]

TOTAL POSTS MENTIONING EACH PERSON

Askthepizzaguy
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
**septimus **
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
**Normal Phase **
11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
**Hirka T’Bawa/Koldanar **
11111111111111111111111111111111111111111
**pedescribe **
1111111111111111111111111111
**choie **
111111111111111111111111111
**ShadowFacts **
11111111111111111111111111
**LightFoot **
11111111111111111111
**Suburban Plankton **
111111111111111111
**Weedy/Romanic **
1111111111111111
**Red Skeezix **
111111111111
**Stanislaus **
11111111111
**USCDiver **
111111111111
**gnarlycharlie **
11111111
**MentalGuy **
1111111
**Inner Stickler **
1111
**TexCat **
1111

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also:

I CHECK THE CEILING FOR LORDS OF SLAUGHTER

[Normal_Phase]

I think they’re hiding under the rug, personally. Damn Lords of Slaughter, they’re worse than dustbunnies.

[Astral_Rejection]

@Askthepizzaguy

Also:

I CHECK THE CEILING FOR LORDS OF SLAUGHTER

(roll, roll, roll) Huh. 2. Your spot check fails, and you do not notice the Lords of Slaughter hiding on the ceiling.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wouldn’t it be awesome if I really had that power?

If you make a sequel to this game, it would be pretty nifty if you had a detective who could “spot check” for scumbags once during the game. Suggested mechanism: Whoever they’re currently voting for is the target.

For balance, the Lords of Slaughter could have an “instant death trap” they can use once during the game, but it also must be on the player they are voting for.

/humble suggestion, creeps away

[MentalGuy]

I want to apologize for disappearing for a while. Over the weekend it was just general busyness with the family, but I did get a couple of opportunities to read and get caught up. Starting today, though, I am at a conference and will really only be able to play in the evening (and just as I write that we have a fire alarm in the hotel).

As the Day started, I was leaning towards the view that Pizza was scum that was doing a really good job playing us. This was based on his defense of Jan (I didn’t vote for Jan, but I had almost changed my mind about her and there is no way I could have went through all her posts like Pizza did and not found more scummy about her), and what I thought was a bussing of septimus (we have seen Pizza likes to play in an unorthodox manner and I have no reason to think he would not do that as scum). But based on what he has done toDay, I have to say, if he is scum, he is the hardest working scum I have ever seen.

I find it very unlikely that septimus would not have been targeted by either scum or a vig. The fact that he does not know whether he was targeted makes me suspect he is not Town.

vote septimus
Honestly, I have only done a quick read of the posts made today. I don’t really buy into Pizza’s original case on choie, but some of the things others pointed out did make me feel suspicious. I need to go back and look at that in more depth, though, before I ready to vote for her.

I do agree with Pizza that some of the scum are likely to be in the low volume posters (and yes, I realize that I am in that set of players). Gnarlycharlie has a perfectly valid reason for not being around much yesterDay, but his Day 1 play that I voted for is still there and I feel that he misrepresented my play in his review of me.

vote Gnarlycharlie

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you sure about gnarlycharlie, Mental Guy?

What is your opinion of the other low-talkers?

I’m just curious. Believe it or not, I’m still puttering away, trying to make sense of the data and reviewing old posts. I’ll have something to say about the LoS keeping their heads down and not mentioning each other very much theory, hereafter known as the “Atpg has too much time on his hands” theory for short.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@MentalGuy

As the Day started, I was leaning towards the view that Pizza was scum that was doing a really good job playing us. This was based on his defense of Jan (I didn’t vote for Jan, but I had almost changed my mind about her and there is no way I could have went through all her posts like Pizza did and not found more scummy about her), and what I thought was a bussing of septimus (we have seen Pizza likes to play in an unorthodox manner and I have no reason to think he would not do that as scum). But based on what he has done toDay, I have to say, if he is scum, he is the hardest working scum I have ever seen.

What has he done Today that says “Town”? He’s certainly spent a great deal of time doing statistical research, but to what end? He has provided us with scads of data, but how is that “Townie”? It’s just data; there is no relative ‘good-or-badness’ to it.

I find it very unlikely that septimus would not have been targeted by either scum or a vig. The fact that he does not know whether he was targeted makes me suspect he is not Town.

There is no evidence at this point that we have a Vig. We’ve had three deaths in three Nights. As for the Scum not targeting him; given the reaction overNight to his last minute vote I can see the Scum figuring that Town would do their dirty work for them.

The fact that he does not know if he was targeted is a bit troublesome, but if in fact he was not targeted, that would explain his ignorance.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I’m going to eat you for breakfast, ser Plankton. Nom nom nom nom.

Better kill me before I nail all your mafia buddies.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@Askthepizzaguy

I’m just curious. Believe it or not, I’m still puttering away, trying to make sense of the data and reviewing old posts. I’ll have something to say about the LoS keeping their heads down and not mentioning each other very much theory, hereafter known as the “Atpg has too much time on his hands” theory for short.

I was beginning to wonder if you were going to express any opinion on the matter, or if you had succumbed to exhaustion after all that. I was a bit worried after you started hallucinating about people walking on your ceiling

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Suburban_Plankton

I was beginning to wonder if you were going to express any opinion on the matter, or if you had succumbed to exhaustion after all that. I was a bit worried after you started hallucinating about people walking on your ceiling

I am pretty pooped. I am very, very thankful I took notes during that process, because there are some shiny gems in there which caught my eye, and I’d hate to have to go digging again.

Unfortunately, by the mere fact that I’m going to be examining those gems, that’s going to lead to taking a closer look at each person, which means snapping up all their posts and putting them in a line for a quick analysis.

:smack:

[Suburban_Plankton]

@Askthepizzaguy

I’m going to eat you for breakfast, ser Plankton. Nom nom nom nom.

Better kill me before I nail all your mafia buddies.

See, the problem is that I can never tell when you’re joking, and when you’re not. I guess that means you’re doing it right

But my issue here was more with **MentalGuy **than with you. If he was leaning Scum on you at the beginning of the Day, I fail to see how the posts you have made Today should have changed that opinion. There’s nothing necessarily *wrong *with what you have posted, but I don’t see anything that’s objectively *right *about it either.

All of the ‘data dump’ posts are neutral when it comes to Scum hunting. I’ve seen plenty of Town players collecting and sharing data for the benefit of the Town, but I’ve seen plenty of Scum players doing exactly the same thing. So when **MentalGuy **says that your hard work makes you seem less likely to be Scum, I can’t agree.

[MentalGuy]

@Suburban_Plankton

What has he done Today that says “Town”? He’s certainly spent a great deal of time doing statistical research, but to what end? He has provided us with scads of data, but how is that “Townie”? It’s just data; there is no relative ‘good-or-badness’ to it.

Oh, I am not saying he is definitely Town, and never having seen him before, it could be that he enjoys going to extravagant lengths to win as scum. But in general, I would not expect scum to go to the lengths that he has toDay (including his analysis of choie that gives War and Peace competition in length).

There is no evidence at this point that we have a Vig. We’ve had three deaths in three Nights. As for the Scum not targeting him; given the reaction overNight to his last minute vote I can see the Scum figuring that Town would do their dirty work for them.

The fact that he does not know if he was targeted is a bit troublesome, but if in fact he was not targeted, that would explain his ignorance.

You are correct but I did not think that likely at the time I made my post. After thinking about it some more, I may need to reconsider. I am not going to remove my vote yet, but I will consider the case some more.

[Weedy]

Normal Phase: Why did I say that about not vigging Septimus? (sorry, can’t be bothered to nest the quotes).

I was thinking that it was a way to confirm him. But it’s not, because it won’t give alignment. Furthermore, if he is town, it takes away the useful thing about him (in game terms), which is that he is 2 NKs worth. So it was a dumb idea. The vig could still kill him to want him dead (except they have to do it twice), but I think it is not useful to vig him to confirm him. Lynching him is the best (only?) way, but I am reluctant to lynch a possible power role.

I went back and looked at vanilla role claim chapter, and I’m not sure choie ever really understood what Normal Phase was trying to say. So her vote on her could still be consistent with Choie as Town. Her interactions with Jan are still bothering me, so I’m going to leave my vote for now.

[septimus]

I’ve wondered whether statistical analyses could help Scum hunt. (Perhaps it’s even as simple as some posters using adverbs more when Town, but switching to adjectives when Scum! :D)
So I was intrigued by ATPG’s suggestion of statistical analysis.

I started with ATPG’s data (didn’t check it except to eliminate three apparent duplicates: ShadowFacts is shown mentioning pedescribe twice in one message, and Romanic twice in another message; specialed is shown mentioning himself.)

ATPG posted the data summaries before me, but my format may be more convenient.
Here is the raw data. Normal made 123 mentions altogether, 21 of ATPG, 1 of Suburban, 2 of choie and so on. (I guess ATPG stopped his note-taking before Normal started mentioning choie a lot.) Players are listed in decreasing order of their activity.

       Normal 123   21 1 2 8 913 3 2 3 0 1 118 2 2 1 4 7 511 5 4
         ATPG  99  7   6 9 4 5 8 1 0 0 1 0 424 0 2 010 3 111 2 1
     Suburban  75  610   3 8 2 7 1 1 0 0 1 1 9 1 2 0 6 2 2 9 4 0
        choie  67 1011 3   4 014 2 1 0 1 2 0 6 0 2 0 1 1 0 7 0 2
    specialed  63  910 3 1   119 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 213 0 0
  ShadowFacts  47  610 1 1 1   6 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 1 1 0 1 1 1 9 3 0
    SilverJan  47  6 3 2 6 7 1   0 0 1 2 0 3 1 1 5 0 1 3 0 4 1 0
   Stanislaus  39  4 4 1 0 2 1 3   1 0 0 0 1 3 0 1 0 3 5 3 4 1 2
    MentalGuy  36  1 4 4 1 0 1 4 1   2 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 4 2 1 5 2 0
       gnarly  28  1 6 1 1 2 0 2 1 2   0 0 1 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 4 0 2
        Weedy  28  3 4 0 2 4 0 7 0 0 0   0 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 1 0
       Texcat  27  2 4 0 2 4 0 4 1 0 0 0   0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 2 1
   RedSkeezix  18  2 1 0 1 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 0   1 0 1 0 1 1 1 3 0 0
     septimus  16  2 6 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1   0 0 0 1 0 2 1 0 0
InnerStickler  14  2 2 1 1 1 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 1   0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
      Romanic  13  3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0   0 2 0 0 5 0 0
        Hirka  12  1 1 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0   0 1 1 0 1 0
     Koldanar  10  0 2 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   2 0 2 1 0
   pedescribe   9  0 2 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   1 0 0 1
    Lightfoot   9  0 1 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0   1 1 1
        Kelly   8  1 0 0 3 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0   0 0
     Scathach   7  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 4   0
        Diver   7  0 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0  

Following is the same table with simplifications: Mention counts of 10 or more are called “9” to keep the table clean. Koldanar’s activity is merged with Hirka’s Romanic’s activity is merged with Weedy’s.

                   N A S C S S S S M G W T R S I H P L K S D
                   o T u h p h i t e n e e e e n i e i e c i

       Normal  96    9 1 2 8 9 9 3 2 3 2 1 1 9 2 5 7 5 9 5 4
         ATPG  81  7   6 9 4 5 8 1 0 0 3 0 4 9 0 9 3 1 9 2 1
     Suburban  74  6 9   3 8 2 7 1 1 0 2 1 1 9 1 6 2 2 9 4 0
        choie  59  9 9 3   4 0 9 2 1 0 3 2 0 6 0 1 1 0 7 0 2
    specialed  48  9 9 3 1   1 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 2 9 0 0
  ShadowFacts  46  6 9 1 1 1   6 1 0 0 1 0 1 3 1 1 1 1 9 3 0
    SilverJan  47  6 3 2 6 7 1   0 0 1 7 0 3 1 1 1 3 0 4 1 0
   Stanislaus  39  4 4 1 0 2 1 3   1 0 1 0 1 3 0 3 5 3 4 1 2
    MentalGuy  36  1 4 4 1 0 1 4 1   2 0 0 1 3 0 4 2 1 5 2 0
       gnarly  28  1 6 1 1 2 0 2 1 2   0 0 1 4 0 1 0 0 4 0 2
        Weedy  41  6 6 0 2 4 0 7 0 0 1   0 0 3 0 2 1 0 8 1 0
       Texcat  27  2 4 0 2 4 0 4 1 0 0 0   0 2 0 0 0 1 4 2 1
   RedSkeezix  18  2 1 0 1 0 2 4 0 0 0 1 0   1 0 1 1 1 3 0 0
     septimus  16  2 6 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1   0 1 0 2 1 0 0
InnerStickler  14  2 2 1 1 1 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 1   0 0 1 0 0 0
        Hirka  22  1 3 0 0 0 5 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 0   3 1 2 2 0
   pedescribe   9  0 2 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   1 0 0 1
    Lightfoot   9  0 1 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0   1 1 1
        Kelly   8  1 0 0 3 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0   0 0
     Scathach   7  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 4   0
        Diver   7  0 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0  

                   N A S C S S S S M G W T R S I H P L K S D
                   o T u h p h i t e n e e e e n i e i e c i

I just present the data, without trying to interpret it, but here is a start at something ATPG was seeking. For each player I list the other players who neither mentioned nor were mentioned by that player.

Mutual Silence Pairs:

Suburban:  Diver
choie:  Lightfoot Scathach
specialed:  MentalGuy RedSkeezix Hirka Scathach Diver
ShadowFacts:  gnarly Texcat Diver
Stanislaus:  InnerStickler
MentalGuy:  specialed Weedy Texcat InnerStickler Diver
gnarly:  ShadowFacts Texcat InnerStickler pedescribe Scathach
Weedy:  MentalGuy Texcat InnerStickler Lightfoot
Texcat:  ShadowFacts MentalGuy gnarly Weedy RedSkeezix InnerStickler Hirka pedescribe
RedSkeezix:  specialed Texcat Scathach Diver
septimus:  pedescribe Scathach Diver
InnerStickler:  Stanislaus MentalGuy gnarly Weedy Texcat Hirka pedescribe Kelly Scathach Diver
Hirka:  specialed Texcat InnerStickler Diver
pedescribe:  gnarly Texcat septimus InnerStickler Scathach
Lightfoot:  choie Weedy
Kelly:  InnerStickler
Scathach:  choie specialed gnarly RedSkeezix septimus InnerStickler pedescribe Diver
Diver:  Suburban specialed ShadowFacts MentalGuy RedSkeezix septimus InnerStickler Hirka Scathach

My own scum-hunting?

1. I certainly agree with ATPG that Scum may be hiding among the quiet; I have one candidate in mind particularly there.
2. I’ve been re-reading and re-reading the discussion between Normal Phase and ShadowFacts, going around and around, changing my mind. The only firm conclusion I will offer now is that I strongly doubt that both are Scum!
3. Similarly, both ATPG and, again, Normal are high on my suspect list, in part because they seek to dominate the Town agenda. But again I strongly doubt that both are Scum.

ETA: Yes I know these brief comments are not cases. Soon I’ll post my own (small!) Wall of Words!

[MentalGuy]

@Askthepizzaguy

Are you sure about gnarlycharlie, Mental Guy?

What is your opinion of the other low-talkers?

I’m just curious. Believe it or not, I’m still puttering away, trying to make sense of the data and reviewing old posts. I’ll have something to say about the LoS keeping their heads down and not mentioning each other very much theory, hereafter known as the “Atpg has too much time on his hands” theory for short.

I am never really sure unless we have had a result from one of our power roles, but when I first voted him I had done a review of all the posters that were in our range in post count and he was the one that I found most likely to be scum.
At this point, I don’t really remember who said what out of the rest of that group (or who voted who). I would need to go back and look at them again before I could really give an opinion. I will try to do that later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Plankton-

Of course not. As a Lord, you’re uncomfortable with the direction this is all heading. Having townies like MentalGuy declare others like Pizzaguy innocent and agree that the scums are likely lower on the list, does not bode well for you and your less outspoken/mentioned brethren.

You’d be interested to toss some doubt on that fire before it burns the whole forest down that they’re hiding in.

Am I joking? Even I’m not sure, at the moment.

@MentalGuy-

I think your vote would be placed better somewhere besides septimus. He’s already got some votes on him, maybe spread that pressure around. Like on Plankton.

@septimus, through preview post

Good god man, thank you.

Now, consider silence and “single mention” to be within the same realm of thinking, and I think we’d be on to something.

[MentalGuy]

Could we get a vote count please?