I have maybe ten minutes left. I have no idea what to do. I’m tempted to punt on Shadow for the day and lock in on TexCat (WHY could he not just say straight one way or the other what he thinks of her?), but I really want him to divest himself of some of those excess votes.
I would begrudingly vote for TexCat as a third alternative but I’m going to be a very disappointed Pizzaguy if ShadowFacts is a slime lord.
Not happy pizzaguy.
I’m not arguing that **ShadowFacts **should keep the ability to use on himself; I see your point there. I’m wondering why he should use his ability on **LightFoot **in particular? Why not someone else?
This has nothing really to do with **LightFoot’s **alignment. At this point, there it nothing to indicate she is not in fact the Town Cop. But even if she were Mod-confirmed, she still doesn’t know who the Scum are, so why should we trust her judgement on a lynch target? If we were to insist that **ShadowFacts **use his ability Today (which would be a waste of time since we can’t enforce such an ultimatum), then wouldn’t it be best for him to use it in such a way that it will not affect the outcome of the lynch?
I still maintain that the “best thing” would be for **ShadowFacts **to not use the ability at all, but I understand that we can’t necessarily trust him to not use it on himself at the last minute. Perhaps if he were to pinkie swear? 
I woudl actually be quite comfortable with a pinkie-swear. It’s not like he’d get a pass if he broke it, after all. Not unless his self-save turned up a scum, anyway.
I do think you have a point.
I was under the impression that ShadowFacts’ ability would double whatever vote or votes the target had at the time the power was used…so that in the example, **MentalGuy’s **vote on **gnarliecharlie **would be doubled, and that if **MentalGuy **later changed his vote, the ‘extra’ vote would remain on gnarliecharlie.
If this is not the case, then disregard my entire argument.
Likewise. I just really think it’s impossible to lynch him, unless he’s a townie. Say you and I both lock in. You think he’ll get enough votes in addition to that to prevent a scum-motivated self-save? Given he’s claimed a power role?
vote texcat
I was hoping that we would get a few more people involved in the discussion here, but that ain’t happening.
I think **Septimus **is Town, and I’m inclined to believe Shadowfacts at this point.
@ SP: I have no idea.
He gains 4 votes and lasts longer into the game, he and his buddies can almost control the vote by themselves within the next couple rounds.
He’s got to spread out his vote power immediately before I could even consider not double voting for him right now. And there’s only two people I sorta trust with that, myself and Lightfoot, and I have zero convincing argument why it should go to me.
A quad-voting roleblocker is too much power. He can dominate the votes and ensure Lightfoot never scans anyone again.
That’s really a ridiculous level of power.
Plus it’s undemocratic. 
I think chancellor ShadowFacts is a Sith Lord.
I’m ready to lock in on ShadowFacts given the stakes.
Where is he, anyway? Did he say he would be gone?
Then move your second vote. I ask again, what are you waiting for?
I am waiting for ShadowFacts who is still clearly present to tell me he’s blessed LightFoot with said vote copying power.
I have to go, and I can’t decide. He’s outlasted me.
Votes stand, good luck town.
Which would make **Texcat **our lynchee, as things stand now.
There’s not enough people still present in this discussion.
Even if I double vote him, nothing will come of it. He has the power to overturn it, and then I’ve also forced him to use it on himself.
But, I guess I will make my feelings clear, and on the record.
unvote: suburban plankton
vote: ShadowFacts
Locked in.
Follow the foolish pizza or don’t. I expected better end round participation than this.
If you’re townie, ShadowFacts, do me a favor and limit the damage I’m causing, give Lightfoot the power as I requested.
That is all.
Yeah I’ve been silent for a while now because I don’t think I’m following things very well because… well, I can’t even say it. It’s the Reason I Dare Not Mention – the one that I’ve supposedly repeated too often. Fill in the blank yourself; apparently it should be easy to, since I’m so boringly repetitive!
But it’s getting to be endgame for Daytime and it’s only fair that I contribute, because silence doesn’t help town as far as I can see. Something Normal said needs to be rebutted.
Erm, I make no claim of Shadowfacts’s guilt or innocence here, because frankly I have no freakin’ clue and besides, his powers seem kind of useless to me – what would the point of a message be, exactly? I do agree that purely dramatically / color-wise, there’s a possibility that a Lord of Slaughter might be granted the ability to steal power from a dead townie. This would be the sort of sleazy evil thing I’d expect from an evil, tricksy power role. Of course we still haven’t gotten mod-confirmation that special ed was townie in the first place, have we? We’re just going by Shadowfacts’s PM, right?
But anyway, as Normal was the one to remind us of in your lecture way back when, our roles appear to be unconnected to people’s powers or personalities. Silver Jan was a Mage but had no magic powers. And of course, you claimed to be a Shaman without powers.
So why now use Shadowfacts’s “rogue” role against him?
I think it’s 'cause that’s your M.O. It fits the preconcieved notion you’ve planted on him since before Hector was a pup. You seem absolutely bent on deciding someone’s guilt and then filtering everything they say through that prism, no matter how illogical – or whether (in this case) it disagrees with your own previous statements.
Maybe this is how Mafia is supposed to be played, but I think it’s a poor, illogical and possibly dangerously irresponsible way to determine guilt or innocence. That may work on Day One, when we have so little info to go on, but we’re long past that now.
This I agree wholeheartedly with. I don’t like the two-vote convention and I sure as hell don’t like the possibility of a quadruple vote.
Finally: Everything everyone says about septimus, Shadowfacts, Suburban Plankton, and Texcat seems double-edged to me. They could each be guilty or innocent equally as far as I can tell. Basically y’all have WIFOMed me into a gibbering idiot state, where I can’t decide for the life of me which way to best frame their behaviors. Lightfoot eludes me completely. S/he’s told us nothing useful as far as I can see, and yet we’re all eagerly hopping from foot to foot to accommodate whatever so-called power s/he has. Some have even implied that s/he’s confirmed townie, but I’ll be damned if I can see where that happened. I don’t understand what s/he’s able to accomplish so far – indeed do we have any evidence that s/he’s town, or that s/he’s done anything whatsoever to justify his/her claim?
So, yeah. I’m drowning in indecision here, which I know makes me either totally useless to town or seem scummy to those who are convinced that anything less than 100% confidence means omgscum.
TLDR: My vote (just gonna use one of 'em, since I’m not a hypocrite) stays where it is. Yep, I’m going down with the Normal-is-scum Ship. I just don’t trust her style of play (railroading people by making everything they say fit her pre-configured judgment). Then there’s that early claim, which yes Weedy, I know what she said was her reason for doing so, but since I think her reasoning was specious (I just don’t see that anyone was really close to revealing their power role by process of elimination from what little discussion was going on about Silver Jan’s role claim), I don’t buy it. Further, and here I fully admit I’m in the “gut instinct” territory, there’s some hinky, odd dynamic going on between her and ATPG (although in fairness, maybe they’re just married/romantically involved in real life :D)! I think it’s possible that one is third-party and one is scum; I’m leaning ATPG as the former – though I do kinda think he’s town, or the world’s hardest working scum ever – and his so-called “Renata” as the latter, but it’s a crapshoot.
I’ll tell you one thing: if both Normal and Pizza are town, I cannot for the life of me understand how they’ll survive the Night. On the plus side, Pizza is practically drooling at the prospect of being killed – he’s outright daring people to do it! (Is there a Mafia role called Masochistic Kamikaze? :D)
I see your argument, but JFTR my working assumption is that there is exactly one Scum among Shadow, Normal, ATPG. In the (very?) unlikely case that two of them Scum, I was guessing Normal and ATPG. But is that clear? Could it be Shadow and one of her detractors who are both Scum? 
Or (what have I been smoking? 
) all three of them are Scum? :dubious:
I don’t know. Everyone posting has far more Mafia experience than I. Do super-bussings Scum-vs-Scum, really happen, as some (or only Suburban?) may be conjecturing to be the case here?
What I was actually suggesting was more mundane: That ATPG is the only Scum of the three, that he wants to keep me around, while he kills off Town Powers, by convincing Town to make unwise choices like Lynching Shadow. After all this, I’m still Lynch leader, despite that none of these other three suspects are even voting me. ATPG (or perhaps Normal, but I’m leaning the other way now) figures I’m dead-man-walking but hopes to manipulate me and offer me up as a simple Lynch on a future Day, when the other Lynch candidate is no longer Scum’s choice.
On the question of Shadow demonstrating his Power with a vote-doubling:
- Is there a good point? The charge is that the Power is likely real; the worry is about alignment.
- The vote-doubling is very valuable if he’s Town. Why make him spend it just as a demo?
- The Doc has the option of not protecting Shadow. In fact, those so confident Shadow is Scum should encourage him not to protect. If Shadow survives, then he may be very likely Scum.
I’m going to lock in on the best alternative to any of the above potential Scum:
** Unvote: ATPG **
** Vote: TexCat **
Among other advantages:
- I can go to bed.
- My Internet connection is flakey. It would be very annoying to stay awake just to be unable to get on-line.
So we have a three way tie between Septimus, Texcat, and ShadowFacts, and the last several hours of discussion have involved only 6 players (**Texcat **being conspicuous in her absence here).
At this point, any of the three of them probably has the chance to save themselves…but I’m starting to winder if any of them will?
If I am murdered, it will be a big relief as I will have eaten a murder instead of one of your lynches.
I can see that I have failed to rally the troops, and now I am hoping against hope that I’ve been dead wrong this whole time.