You’re focusing on the wrong part of Septimus’ statement.
Septimus’ death will discredit you (according to him). therefore you want to delay his lynch. Therefore you are trying to get **ShadowFacts **(i.e. not Septimus) lynched instead. QED.
If **ShadowFacts **happens to be Town…oh well, you were wrong. It happens to Townies all the time.
If **ShadowFacts **is Scum, then you gain Town cred.
First of all, that doesn’t answer my question of why you did a 180 on Septimus. But I remember now: “you don’t know”
Second, what efforts have you made lately to save Septimus? You’ve argued that we should lynch **ShadowFacts **instead, but you haven’t moved your second vote to him…if you are so certain he is Scum, why don’t you make that effort? I know, that would only create a tie, and **Septimus **would still be on the block, but at that point one vote from any of the numerous people with one available would decide things. By my count there are still 10 votes available to be cast Today. Perhaps someone would be more likely to follow your lead and place one of them on **ShadowFacts **if you were to actually lead them.
It’s not about that, Lightfoot; it’s about my reluctance to let those four votes stay all in ShadowFacts hands. If he doesn’t empower you, he still has them for two more days running. I don’t see him getting lynched while he still has those votes in hand, minus an investigation, and I’m still seeing him as scum.
I really hate to be fair here, but, if he had said that he knew something more, people might ask him about it and it could lead to a claim based on saying something odd.
That’s in size one because it makes me feel dirty.
This is all I can find for response; it doesn’t shed any light on anything. Obviously if he’s for real he’s not going to admit to the fakery I saw. I still question why he felt the need to say such a thing in the first place, and I question his sole focus on me knowing the root of my suspicion was solid.
I did make that assumption, in fact, and I asked Astral about it. I asked: “Based on my role description and the fact that I have not received a PM from you, can I assume that Scathach was NOT a town power role?”
The response: “No comment.”
I know you won’t believe me, but that’s exactly what happened, word for word.
I know. I’m questioning his focus on me and lack of focus on anyone else in light of knowing my perception was legitimate; and to a lesser extent why he even left himself open to being caught in a borderline lie like that in the first place.
Did **LightFoot **suddenly get confirmed Town when I wasn’t looking?
I’m not accusing her of being Scum, but I’m wondering why everyone seems to be assuming we can trust her votes enough to double them?
If she’s lying, then we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. And if she’s telling the truth, she still doesn’t know who the Scum are, so we still could be shooting ourselves in the foot.
I fail to see why the power should be used at all Today. It won’t prove anything about ShadowFacts’ alignment in any case. It will tell us absolutely nothing.
All right. Will you use your extra votes on Lightfoot today, or will you keep them to save yourself/dissuade lynch attempts for as long as you have them?
If that’s the reason, then he should use the ability on a player whose vote in on someone not in lynch contention. For example, MentalGuy, who currently has the one and only vote on gnarlycharlie. That was the ‘extra’ vote does not figure in to Today’s lynch.
He’s essentially unlynchable as long as he retains those votes, and he has amassed enough suspicion to get himself to the edge of lynch today (if that were not true). That’s too much power in one person’s hands who is not remotely certain of being town. I’d rather have him power himself up and single-handedly lynch me than keep those votes, right at this moment.
As for LightFoot, I think it’s insane to even worry about her alignment right now. She claimed cop on day two and by the end of day three has not been counter-claimed. Scathach wasn’t a cop whose identity she stole unless scum can also bleach corpses of powers: that’s borderline bastard around here and I don’t rate it likely at all. Her judgment is whatever it is, but her intentions should by all rights be solid. Why do you not see it this way?
If ShadowFacts is town, I’ve accomplished the following:
spared suspect septimus, against the will of some 7 or 8 other players.
lynched claimed power role ShadowFacts
pretty much ATPG’s fingerprints all over both of those
Without even knowing the results, my actions are already raising questions which serve to discredit me. And, I’m suggesting that even if ShadowFacts is scum, you think I’m going to be off the hook? If I were you I’d claim that was PIS I’d be displaying.
I’m saying that if ShadowFacts is town, I’ve done worse discrediting of myself than if I just shut up and allowed possibly townie bulletproof role which the scums want dead, to DIE.
I’d still be discredited but hey, as a Lord, I’d have accomplished something in exchange. Please give me at least as much credit as to do something not-stupid as a mafioso.
If ShadowFacts is scum, I gain town cred. But for how long?
You really think the Lords of Slaughter going to leave me alive all game after my displayed behavior and almost single-handed single-minded crusade against ShadowFacts the Lord of Slaughter?
I’m dead meat if I’m right, and I openly invite being roleblocked or investigated in either case. I will have accomplished shooting my team in the foot, making myself suspicious, and neutering myself for the rest of the game if me and Shadow are both scum.
Remember, in this scenario, Shadow is scum.
So, call my ill-fated bluff if you think that’s what this is.
This is very true, I don’t know.
My own argument suggests that septimus would therefore be just as likely a good lynch as ShadowFacts since he also claimed something that’s a perfect cover role for scum.
I’m taking a risk and playing devil’s advocate on the 50/50 odds septimus is townie.
I’m not certain, and I’m still questioning SF and pressuring and responding and making up my mind. And I’m also keeping an eye on the participation levels; there’s really no point in locking in my vote if there could be a decision to swing the lynch onto a third candidate. I intend to be here and able to vote in such a circumstance.
While I’m busy arguing for ShadowFacts’ death, if I feel there are significant townie efforts to spare him, I’ll contribute to that and be a team player, if a big pain in the neck team player.
It’s possible. I am willing to take that risk; my lack of movement is because I’m not intending to overturn the will of the town by force, but persuade folks to see my point of view.
Should I fail, I’m intending to enforce the will of the town with my vote.
Scathach was confirmed to be NPC townie powerless role, wasn’t that the case?
Someone help me find it. I could very well be misinformed but I remember that differently. I thought that special ed was the one we hadn’t confirmed yet.
I would agree to that if it’s someone who’s virtually certain not to return and want to change his vote later. I don’t know if MentalGuy fits that bill. (Pedescribe or other non-voters wouldnt’ prove he has the power at all, btw (or has used it), as far as I can tell, though I think it’s quite likely that he does.)
He was; I’m not stating it clearly. By bleach of powers I mean make it appear that a power townsperson was actually vanilla, upon death reveal. I don’t think that sort of moderator-aided deception woudl fly around here.
In case ShadowFacts actually takes me up on trying to get me lynched! –
Stanislaus: I didn’t see much in your original case, Pizza, but similarly am not convinced by your 100% retraction. He’s a good player, and I think capable of faking townieness quite well. Jury is still out.
Suburban Plankton: Too up and down on him to comment, really. But if TexCat is scum, I think Suburban the likeliest of her voters thus far to have been bussing.