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Shadow could be a very important Town power, especially for the vote-doubling in the endgame. I think Scum will try to NK him and you want to Lynch him now instead?? I tend to believe his claim, but if we’re suspicious, just encourage LightFoot to Investigate.
My suspicions of you grew when you started a bussing campaign against TexCat, but then quickly backed off when the bandwagon got under way. You insist on focusing attention away from the likely Scum to your “S” candidates. Yet you discourage Lynching me, even though I’m almost dead-man-walking; instead you want to shoot at another suspect toDay. I think you’re delaying my Lynch because my flip will discredit you.
Questions for Shadow:
If you double someone’s votes, are the extra votes those which the player had at time of your PM, or whatever he has at end of Day?
Can you double your own votes, giving you a quadruple-vote?
If you’re innocent, we’ve lost a relatively unimportant “power role” with only the most limited of powers, while also using up half of your actually useful power to boost the votes of our claimed detective.
If Lightfoot is innocent, our voting strength stays the same. If Lightfoot is guilty, survival into the endgame seems unlikely as there’s no way the Lords of Slaughter don’t succeed in finding the doc, killing said doc, and then killing Lightfoot. So of the remaining candidates I’d trust LF with the extra vote power, or myself but I highly doubt you’ll give me extra voting power.
Your power if true is actually somewhat double-edged. If you don’t use that power to boost a townie, you could single-handedly doom the defenders of Deendee by giving the Lords of Slaughter, none of which are dead, an additional vote.
I am still flush with suspicion on you and I want you to die. Nothing personal, just business. @septimus
Lightfoot can make the choice to investigate this one or not. Of course LightFoot is having trouble investigating anyone at the moment.
Bah, if THAT is the case, septimus, then why am I trying so hard to get ShadowFacts dead instead of you?
Think about it for one second.
You’re the bulletproof role. I’d want you dead over anyone but the detective if I were scum. Now I’m pushing hard on a lynch on someone who could very well be a town power role, this time with mostly just my fingerprints all over it, and I’m worried about discrediting myself?
You have not thought it through at all. You’re just reacting to my behavior which you find scummy, but you’re incorrect about that. You have to think it through logically and see that the motivation you just assigned me is not possible.
That said, I realize what you’re doing and I forgive you.
Also, someone has to play devil’s advocate. I would really question our chances if we just blindly accepted every role claim without examining it closely. Some roles are going to be guilty and still have an excellent role claim. They’re going to claim late in a round, and then we’re going to let them live.
You don’t expect the Lords of Slaughter to all claim vanilla NPC, right?
:rolleyes: Then you haven’t been paying attention. This is a continuation of my actions all round long, where i’ve proposed alternatives to septimus.
If you’re implying that I’m flailing because septimus is my scum partner, that’s great. That makes sense considering how he nearly died yesterday due to mostly me and a couple other voters, and probably wouldn’t have even been under lynch threat today at all had I not done that.
If you’re implying my behavior has changed at all, that’s a lie, because my moves have been openly advocating “not septimus” ALL ROUND LONG, and it’s a LONG ROUND.
You’re full of something, and I don’t mean rainbows and sunshine.
The last straw, eh?
** ATPG ** is challenging the claim. = Do something good but we still can’t believe you ARE good.
You can’t see anything valid in what ATPG and myself have said about the ‘smelly parts’ (quote mine) of the claim?
I know you can’t be here for the end of day. I’ll do what you suggest and I won’t try to weasel out of responsibility for what happens either.
I have not locked in my vote, but I’d really like to see ShadowFacts back up his power on you and then die, reducing the damage if he’s pro-town, and ending him for good if he’s anti-town. I see it as a draw-win, not quite a win/win but it would make me feel like we’re not just killing off NPCs as they’re the only “safe” option.
We are not going to win the game if we keep doing that.
You can keep your rolleyes, my good man. I am obviously not saying septimus is your scum partner, since I very clearly said multiple times that I do not find septimus suspicious and want to avoid his lynch. I don’t know how much clearer about that I could be when I claimed just a few posts above. Sensitive, much?
What I am saying is that since I claimed, you quickly suggested I use my Message power to send you a Message. Then very shortly thereafter you said I should use my Voting power on Lightfoot. Then you quickly came back with a reason why I could have my powers and still be scum (which is plausible, of course, as I admitted in my claim). And then more posts and more posts about why I’m still scum and how some of the claims have to be false, etc.
The whole thing has come across as a little “flail-y” to me, is all. I hope I’m not the only one to notice it.
Those last two sentences are not logically consistent. You are asking **LightFoot **to tell you who to vote for. If you so what she suggests, then you are most certainly weaseling out of responsibility.
Either change your vote or don’t change it, but don’t try to pawn off your decision on someone else.
Color me gullible, but I tend to believe (at least tentatively) Power claims, especially when they’re complicated ones.
Suspicion is fine. Let’s put him on a leash and make him prove his Towniness. For example, he could promise not to block you and you can Investigate him. Beside the blocking power (which he’d presumably use only against you as you’re the only known Power), there’s no urgency about Lynching him, right?
It may be wise to insist that he double your Vote toDay, LightFoot, but ATPG was asking that we also go ahead and Lynch him toDay, which makes no sense to me.
And I say that despite that I’m the one heading for Lynch rather than Shadow. I’m likely to be just Vanilla now, and am happy to lay down my life to save a Town Power.
PS: My connection is flakey. :mad: I don’t if it’s my modem, my provider, a laptop virus or what, but if I don’t post again it won’t be due to apathy. :smack:
You seem to have forgotten, or have chosen to ignore, the fact that **ShadowFacts **is claiming more than one Ability. In addition to the Vote-charging, he also claims to have a Roleblocking ability. Such an ability is not without it’s potential pitfalls, but it can be a useful tool in the Town’s hands.
A few questions here:
How does **Lightfoot’s **guilt make it more likely that the Scum find and kill the Doc as you imply here? If she is guilty, then there’s no reason to think she’s actually Investigator.
If **LightFoot **is guilty, then why would the Scum kill LightFoot? wouldn’t she be one of them?
Why trust anyone with the extra vote power at this point? Might it not be a better idea to save it until we come up with a confirmed, or at least semi-confirmed, townie?
Again you are ignoring his other power (two other powers, really).
By that logic, why don’t we just lynch **LightFoot **Today then? After all, he’s completely useless now, right?
[NOTE: sarcasm in use in the above statement]
**Septimus **said that you are delaying his lynch because his flip will discredit you. *That *would be the reason you are trying to get **ShadowFacts **dead instead of him.
I don’t actually have an argument with your statement here, though I do still wonder how you went from spending 2 Days trying to lynch **Septimus **to now considering him confirmed Town.
I think you’re a Lord of Slaughter, and therefore, you’re being nice to septimus and advocating a third way, because it looks nice.
I’m sensitive to bull droppings, and when you’re implying things, it implies many things which I know to be bull poop. You’ll have to be more specific otherwise.
At first, I was just as impressed with your role claim as anyone.
Then I remembered that I didn’t take my gullible pills this morning.
I went from a plan of prove claim, then wagon other, to deciding on a plan of challenge claim, limit losses.
You could very well be who you say you are. But you know what’s going to happen this round, in the next 3 hours?
We’re either going to lynch you despite your claim, septimus despite his claim, or one of the other folks with a couple votes on them just to save you both.
All because you claimed something. Well duh, what’s a lord of slaughter going to do but claim something? And won’t they have something nice to claim, too.
You’re expendable. Your claim isn’t that much of a loss. Your claim is like 50/50 scum to me, and that’s better than “kill X because X is not ShadowFacts”, to me.
I am not inclined to just buy your claim and be done with it.
I tell you what, then.
I’m scummy, right?
My motives are in question, yes?
Lynch me as an alternative to you. If I come up scum, lynch TexCat or septimus, as it seems to be implied that I’m trying to spare one of these guys.
There, now you can uncover all sorts of information and save your precious power roles all at once. Just a vanilla NPC here, no major loss if I die, and you’ll get your thread a lot less cluttered.
I challenge this.
Doesn’t make logical sense. What does that imply? ShadowFacts is either **guilty **or innocent.
So I’m trying to avoid discrediting myself by lynching the _______ ShadowFacts.
Fill in the blank.
So I’m trying to avoid discrediting myself by lynching the innocent ShadowFacts.
Sure, because I haven’t discredited myself already with my antics, and lynching the innocent **ShadowFacts **won’t discredit me somehow, at least as much as lynching the innocent septimus. Makes zero sense.
So I’m trying to avoid discrediting myself by lynching the guilty ShadowFacts.
So, kill ShadowFacts! What a silly idea, right? And of course, it’s scummy that I’m doing this, so obviously that means I’ve not only helped lynch my Lord of Slaughter buddy, but made myself look like a jackass IN THE PROCESS.
Brilliant mafia play on my part. I’d never be able to show my face here again.
Because I have little to lose. I’m an NPC townie who is already being looked at strangely. Someone needs to take risks, accuse unlikely people, and remind folks that hey, LoS are gonna claim power roles. Right now I can do that sort of thing because I don’t have much to lose.
You know the Dark Knight movie- How batman takes the heat for things because he can, but other purely white characters cannot?
I’m far from batman, but I can play my role here and be cannon fodder who asks pertinent questions. That much I can do.
And btw, septimus is still very likely to be lynched today, in spite of my efforts. I really don’t see a huge movement otherwise.
I’m preparing for a trip to Canada I will be gone til next Thursday. I’m taking my laptop and have been told I will have access= I’m not on the road yet but I won’t be here when I’m travelling. 30 year class reunion- they will be surprised *
Ugh, I should have resisted the temptation to log in. I don’t have time for this.
First thing: A rogue is a thief. ShadowFacts’ power description matches the thief idea, though the role name “backup” does not. But “power-stealer” would.
Second thing: Four votes of his very own. I don’t think ShadowFacts is getting lynched today if he doesn’t want to. It’s only a question of who he chooses to try to lynch instead.
Whatever else, he must empower Lightfoot today and not himself. No one should have four votes who is not confirmed as town. It’s a can of worms like no other.
“We know nothing more right now than we did after Kelly’s reveal.” This is regarding scathach’s no-reveal death. Only, assuming his power or something like it is legit, then ShadowFacts DID know something more than he had the night previously: he knew that scathach was not a town power role. He could assume not only town, but also town vanilla. I read fakery in this statement, that it was putting up a front of not knowing something he really did know. And I was correct about that. (Yes I see the “investigators” caveat, but that should have no impact on my perception or Shadow’s perception OF my perception.)
Why am I your sole solidly-stated suspicion in days when you KNOW I was seeing something real here upon first voting you, Shadow? (And you’ve known it all along.) If you are town, please describe what you’ve been thinking about this situation since the beginning of day two. I’m going to go find out what you actually said to me at the time.
ToDay my vote is as informed than any other Townsperson. I would not care to have the “weight” of a misslynch by someone doubling my vote. toDay
If you recall I have knowledge of ONE Townsperson besides myself .
I tend to believe his claim, but if we’re suspicious, just encourage LightFoot to Investigate.
