This quote makes me feel uneasy.
Inner, when this night is over, I’m going to ask you directly who the heck you are, and I’m going to need an answer. I had figured you for the doctor all this time, but this quote does not fit the doctor role at all.
As such, your actions are no longer viewed under the rosy sunglasses of maybe he’s a power role, that’s why he wants to wagon, to gain experience points.
In terms of why Stickler’s on the list, it’s a combination of things.
The same actions I questioned Suburban and Weedy on, Inner took part in. The wagons to save septimus, the wagon to destroy septimus. I am figuring a scum was on those wagons. Now I’ve been carefully trying to rule people out as the doctor role before I heavily accuse them, because we don’t need more outed power roles, but Inner’s recent posts indicate he is not a power role.
So he’s got all the scummy voting but none of the excuses.
I realize he and I have been getting along pretty well for a while now and he has stated I am town, but at various points, Suburban, Shadow, and septimus all declared me town. Some even called me scum after, and then town again.
I have strong leads on the scums I think, but if one eludes me, it could be Inner Stickler who has never had any serious pressure, doesn’t appear to have an excuse for his late votes.
That said, he doesn’t ping me via *behavior *like the others do. it’s just the votes.
I’m hoping my suspicions can be resolved by answering questions, but if not I’ll have to push a bit harder on Stickler.
I have a very strict no posting whilst drinking rule and I am trying to abide dude
The quiet ones need to “step up or get out the way”
I’d love to know why. Other than the math error, it’s nothing more than a restatement of info from a mod post. I was on a wagon to save septimus? News to me.
**These **wagons to spare septimus.
Full case on why Inner Stickler deserves to be a top suspect:
Little can be read into these comments either way in any reliable fashion. Even if, for example, Inner flip-flops on the well-intentioned idea of not voting twice, that’s what townies will do. I’ve done it.
1)** Inner Stickler** is among the first to mention the paranoid doc idea, if not the first. I think he’s the first. Have to check. This is why I figured, like Red Skeezix, Inner Stickler could have been breadcrumbing.
I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop all game long, and Stickler hasn’t been attacked, and no one has claimed even when prompted to do so.
And, wouldn’t a scum roleblocker claim paranoid doc, just to be able to have something important to claim later? As such, if Inner claims paranoid doc tomorrow, I’m not going to believe it. I’ll think scum roleblocker instead.
Why this is interesting is because this is the only reason given for why it’s a bad idea. And, if Inner were such a doctor, this sort of post should scream at the scumbags “murder me”, and as such, it’s unwise to post it.
This isn’t a great way of finding someone innocent or guilty IMO. Agreeing on a policy is not hard for the scums to fake. It’s poor reasoning IMO, as such, I think it could be an example of fake reasoning not to follow Skeezix regarding ShadowFacts.
blush
Sorry… just doing my job here… uh moving on to the next post.
And repeats it. I was almost sure that Stickler was saying this because Stickler knows the doc, and in a no PM reveal game, that means it would be Stickler.
But it doesn’t add up. You don’t want to breadcrumb this kind of information. Unlike the vigilante, breadcrumbing a doctor/blocker action IS scummy. It’s not something that follows from the role. A vigilante has to explain himself, a doctor doesn’t, even a paranoid one.
Slight scum read on behavior.
Indicates prepping a claim later of being a paranoid doc, when Inner is just a scum roleblocker. Not being careful as a doc, indicates not a doc.
Acutely aware of the tally and when the phase ends. Scums would be, some townies might be.
If Scum:
This post suggests that septimus was screwed, and the plan was, bus and distance from septimus. that is consistent with what happened.
If Townie:
Correct reasoning.
It’s hard to tell which is the case.
If Scum:
Easy points for distancing Stickler from Suburban, even though they end up voting the same way.
If Townie:
Thanks for the agreement. Would you follow-up and lynch Suburban?
Hard to tell which is the case.
If Scum:
Major, easy distancing points.
If Townie:
Good, correct points.
Hard to tell which is the case.
If Scum:
Major, easy distancing points.
If Townie:
Good, correct points.
Hard to tell which is the case.
Sensing a pattern? If the plan is bus septimus, then going directly at his throat hardcore is not all that difficult to fake. You know he’s guilty, so what could you be afraid of? Being murdered?
Pizza says nah-uh. This could go either way.
Town vig?
Inner mentions the vig who at that point was nonexistent.
As I mentioned before when I did the analysis that lead directly to septimus, one of the points against Inner Stickler was the early mentions of vigilantes. Scum would be aware of the vigilante since they had powers dedicated to refuting him.
Possible perfect information syndrome. Needs a re-read to determine if Inner was the first or among the first to suggest the vig exists.
The plan of course was to bus septimus. Therefore there’s no townie indicators here. Again not sure on ShadowFacts. If Shadow is also scum, that puts major scum points on Inner Stickler.
Well he was going to do so, obviously. Asking him like it is a threat if he doesn’t sort of has a whiff of acting.
All consistent with any plan to bus and distance from septimus.
No firm conclusion either way.
So, if there’s a roleblocker preventing the detective from taking action, you’d agree with their actions, block instead of kill? Interesting.
This is great stuff, and is so true it has a very strong whiff of townie to it.
That said, does it remain the case that Stickler feels this way when septimus has a chance at living?
That’s the real test, isn’t it?
Test fail.
Scum don’t have a janitor, but townies need a coroner to get results. Okay… nice theory. A bit too nice, really.
Basically, wasn’t interested in killing septimus until it was time to bus him,
Then, went after septimus hardcore,
Then, instead of doubling vote on septimus, Stickler avoids ShadowFacts’ death and locks in on texCat, and again defends ShadowFacts.
Basically, Inner being townie depends on ShadowFacts being townie.
If Shadow is townie, I can buy some of this. If he’s not, Inner must die.
Inner has always been interested in the voting and experience point discussions, indicating power role. And so my theory was, he was a power role.
But I see him as either a paranoid doctor… and I’d be skeptical… or he’s the scum roleblocker himself.
Inner knows the rules quite well.
Okay.
Inner has spent some time thinking about this.
I don’t, I was just laying a theory out there to see if I got any nibbles.
I think Inner Stickler, if scum, is the designated “advocate everything that is good for the town” guy.
I would do whatever Stickler has said, for the most part… ShadowFacts being an exception. That said, Stickler is leaning guilty to me.
Godfather role.
Perfect Information.
Why assume a godfather role is in the game?
Okay so we finally do bus him, after it is clear he is going to die and flip scum. Good.
Thanks for your support.
You’re leaning town on Skeezix now, great… what about ShadowFacts? Still innocent?
Very consistent. It matches the entire rest of Inner’s play pattern. If he has a scum role, he is definitely playing the distancing, bussing, devil’s advocate game, almost flawlessly.
The flaws I see are false breadcrumbing, and several instances of PIS.
Certainly you weren’t surprised by the result though? You were sure he was guilty.
I didn’t see what this was in reference to so I’ll skip it.
Inner is saying everything I’d expect him to say as town, and yet, he’s also saying a lot more I am having trouble writing off as innocent.
Either he’s really on his game or he’s scum.
Everything he says “sounds townie”. It’s so very even and consistent.
Again Inner leaps into the experience point discussion and number of scumbags.
I just don’t get NPC townie from Stickler, and yet, I also wouldn’t buy PC townie claim from Stickler at the moment either.
Hmmph.
Anyway. Inner Stickler is awesome. If he’s townie, he’s one of the best that we have. If he’s scum, he’s playing an excellent game with only a couple minor errors.
But the PIS with the godfather thing, and some other examples, and the paranoid doctor thing, all smell like a set-up where Stickler claims paranoid doc later on in the game. And it keeps him alive one more round… maybe two. And he gets to block Lightfoot all this time. As long as she’s blocked, she’s no threat.
I don’t believe he’s an NPC, he’s too interested in the game mechanics and the leveling up. I don’t believe he’s a PC, because the doc or the coroner are the only ones left that should be major, and I’m not smelling doc from Inner Stickler. He’d be much more careful about wagoning and breadcrumbing clues about the doctor. Real doctors would be more concerned with not making any clues or waves and protecting the detective.
That leaves scum. That explains why he wasn’t for septimus until septimus acted obviously scum, and then Inner Stickler went for his throat as hard as he could… until ShadowFacts was also on the block. So he didn’t double down on septimus or Shadow, he went for TexCat.
Then, it was too much and he finally joined the wagon on septimus, again, after someone else made the big push for it to happen. Otherwise, Inner wasn’t going to make that move.
Inner is making every move possible to look as townie as possible, but little flaws reveal that he knows more about the game than he should, especially with regards to Red Skeezix the vigilante, septimus the godfather, and paranoid doctors who shouldn’t be breadcrumbing, and experience, leveling, and number of scums.
Sorry, Inner Stickler. [7/10]
It’s possible to look *too *townie. Why it’s bad is because the townie-ness about you disappears when suspects septimus or ShadowFacts have any chance at living through a round, and I’m afraid townies make more mistakes than you’re making. Your play is too perfect.
Do you have a solid defense? Convince me.
I was a paranoid doc in the game that finished literally a week before this one started. When Lightfoot claimed being blocked, the first thing I thought about was how I kept having to make the block or not decision with Astral.
I got to Day 3 late in the last day and there were 15 minutes left for me to read the last page or so. I hastily calculated the vote tally and decided, even if I doubled on septimus, he wouldn’t get lynched and of Texcat and SF, I found Texcat the more likely target.
I can’t remember the last time I played a closed game that lacked a godfather, and in fact, for a while, you could pretty much count on a Mahaloth created scum team having a Godfather, a Roleblocker, a vanilla goon and a 4th game specific role.
Vigilante, Assassin, tomayto, tomahto. (The dumbest reason I was ever lynched was when I called a potential godfather an alpha instead of a godfather, JSYK. I think that sort of ‘slipping’ is useless, especially when the slip is toward a more universal mafia term as opposed to a game specific one.)
I’ll need to look at the cases on Suburban again. I’ve been reading the game with Septimus blinders on, but even so, I get an icky feeling from him.
(Hope that’s all cogent. I may have had a tetch too much saki tonight.)
I’m keeping this to look at when I feel bad about games I sucked ass in. I consider any game where I haven’t had to claim by Day 3 a personal win. I will really enjoy your commentary after the game is over.
Yes, I know the context even though I wasn’t there.
It just means that Astral might have gotten the idea to put the role in this game again, because it was such a fun role last time. No biggie.
But you know what good hosts do is they mix things up. This time, a scum roleblocker, with the cover role of paranoid doctor.
I can’t conclude anything from this and I can’t expect you to defend against this sort of speculative reasoning. I’m just laying out what I think the odds are.
Odds are, the explanation for Lightfoot continuing to exist are REAL DOCTOR plus scum blocker, or Scum blocker blocking her every night pretending to be paranoid.
Yes, that’s the explanation I’d expect. But if you were sure on septimus, you should have doubled on him anyway, in the hopes someone would have helped you kill him.
Your explanation fits, just like all your behavior, for a nice, good, proper townie.
That said, every move you make also doubles as a scum action. I play the exact same way as scum. That explanation you came up with was the very first I came up with, almost verbatim, in my head.
I put myself in your shoes, pretend I’m scum, and everything that comes out of your mouth is what I would say to sound townie.
Why aren’t you dead, then? More importantly, why won’t you be dead later.
All perfectly valid and reasonable dual explanations.
You knew because you were scum;
You knew because it was the recent pattern.
I can’t determine which is which. But everything you do ALSO matches what I’d do as a scumbag in your position.
That’s just too coincidental to ignore for me. Sorry, I’m paranoid, and not a doctor.
I wasn’t picking on the term for the role, just that you were certain said role was in the game. :dubious:
Look at Suburban and ShadowFacts.
That said, agreeing with me about them isn’t your ticket to freedom, Inner.
The whole case on you is that you’re behaving exactly like the scum who does everything a good townie should. It’s just too perfect, and everything matches too well the alternative explanation.
Bad coincidences, man.
If you claim paranoid doc or townie roleblocker I am not buying it, sorry. And my suspicion on you will remain until you’re scanned by Lightfoot.
Cogent as ever.
I hope you realize that this accusation means I have only the highest level of respect for your abilities in this game. You’re a very talented player, and whatever you’re really up to, you’re doing it brilliantly.
I hope you are townie and the scums die soon, so I don’t have to press this case. I will be sad to do it.
You may have had a run of bad luck. As I said, either as townie or scum, in this game you’ve demonstrated nearly flawless reasoning and/or acting.
Honestly, I respect you greatly as a player.
No, I never die at night. It is my curse to hang around until day 5 or 6 when I get lynched for being light on content and heavy on fluff. I’d almost appreciate dying for being too perfect a townie; it would make for a nice change.
If you die at night, it would greatly assist me in narrowing down who the scums are.
But we both know (or I think and seriously believe) you’re not going to die at night unless Red Skeezix pulls the trigger. As such, as the game progresses, I am eventually going to have to vote for you.
If you’re townie, please help me bring down the scumbags before it is too late. If we can get down to maybe one left, and it’s you, I consider that almost as good as a win.
If you’re scum, you’re going to need Red and myself dead to win this game. Good luck.
This format is bugging unfamiliar to me. And I am in more than one game (elsewhere). may I be so bold as to ask when EON is? (note to self. just play one at a time)
EOD- appears to mean end of day
EON- end of night
[del] is the tag for strike thru on this board, not [s] as I thought.
Lightfoot, Inner Stickler needs to be scanned; I am more confident he is not the one protecting you, and as such I’m not concerned if the scums murder him as a result of your attempts to scan him.
If anything Stickler is the one blocking you. Maybe you can scan the one who blocks you.
pedescribe can’t be let go, but I’d un-prioritize him for the time being.
Also, as always, don’t correct me if I am wrong.
Are you considering revealing your scanee before end of night? We could use that data.
I’m fairly certain that Red or myself or you will be the target; the scums do not have the resources to also attack your scanee.
I know what EON is I was checking to see When.
The contiguous thread hinders my search
Countdown to the end of night. It’s in a little less than 14 and a half hours. I try very hard to have an easy reference to the end of the current phase which is apparently scummy. Meh. I can’t bring the dense analyses, but I can keep track of the minutia.
**“Night has now fallen, and will last until 6 pm central time on August 6th.”
**And so Inner and I have now become one mind. We are the borg, resistance is futile.
:eek:
Not to be all woo-woo but I just posted a facebook status about the borg and the phrase, you will be assimilated. #getoutofmyhead
Link or it didn’t happen. 