I think I covered my reasoning fairly well already, so I’ll repost:
To answer more specifically, no I was not concerned about “wasting” the power on a Vanilla. I was more concerned about accidentally blocking a Town power role. In my mind, there was a 50/50 chance **Pizza **was scum, so he was a low risk/high reward choice.
Oh, one more thing before I go, since I don’t think it can be over-emphasized:
The supposed Vig has now missed his target 4 nights in a row.
I’ll probably mention this once or twice more before the day is done. 
Yes, and if you get lynched and pop up townie, Red Skeezix will be your trophy, and I think everyone here will be pleased to carve your name into his skull for helping bring down scumbag number two, and having at least some part in bringing down scumbag number one because if you hadn’t blocked Skeezix, then they probably wouldn’t have been distancing from each other so much.
Maybe. That’s if you’re townie.
You still have to reconcile this:
Absent a paranoid doctor, why was Lightfoot unable to do anything, while Red Skeezix reports he was unable to do anything, while Red Skeezix and yourself are both townies?
No paranoid doctor claim, means you or Skeezix is guilty. Since Skeezix was pressing septimus hard and you were pressing Skeezix hard, I favor Skeezix. I trust him as long as he keeps bringing me the heads of the Lords of Slaughter.
Surely that’s not a stretch? You die, flip townie, no paranoid doctor ever claims, Red must die.
Fair trade?
If you say no, I’ll double vote you right now. Because you know darn well it is a fair trade, you just also know you’ll pop up scum.
All right, Shadowfacts, I get why you blocked ATPG, if you thought he might be scum. I think I misinterpreted point 3.
Hey guys, sorry I’ve been away all Night, My friends and family have kept me busy this weekend celebrating my passing two of the three tests I need to get licensed…
Ok, first, Woot! No NK! Go Town!!! Woot!!! (sorry, had to get the celebration out of my system)
Ok, as for the possibility of a paranoid doctor. My belief (or suspicion), is that the doctor started out paranoid, but, as he gains levels, he’ll lose that paranoia, and turn into a regular doctor. If that is the case, then I wouldn’t necessarily want him to claim yet.
As for who is out there, I currently believe 100% that Lightfoot is town (for obvious reasons), and I also believe 100% that ATPG is town, for two main reasons. First, he has been after Septimus since at least day 2, and there was no reason for a busing that early, and also his posts just sound town to me.
I’m leaning town about 75% on Normal Phase, I believe her role claim, and I see why she did it. Her posts also seem town, and she hasn’t done anything to make me doubt her.
I’m leaning town on ShadowFacts, his role claim just seems more believable as a town role then a scum one, and his message to Lightfoot at least proves he has the power he claimed.
As for Red Skeezix, I still believe he is most likely lying. I think the odds of him missing his target every night to be doubtful, and, when he claimed he targeted septimus his revealed PM said Septiumus was “Protected”. I’ve never seen a scum doctor, and I really doubt our doctor would protect someone right after their scummy vote change. However, I can believe his PM would have been true, if he targeted someone who was protected… Like Lightfoot.
Vote Red Skeezix
I need to look at Inner Stickler and SP more. ATPG, do you have a link or post number to your wall of words on them?
Since **you ** asked
Askthepizzaguy is a Townsperson.
Askthepizzaguy,
You’ve played in a game with 5 Scum Doctors; have you ever played in a game with two Godfathers?
Septimus was both a Godfather and ‘Bulletproof’, or he was protected Night 2. I refuse to believe in the existence of a Scum Doctor without some actual evidence to support such a theory.
Night 4, Red, LightFoot, and Askthepizzaguy were all blocked.
So, we have a third Roleblocker in the game
Red didn’t attack Septimus on Night 2
Night 4, Pizza was blocked by Shadow.
This means either **Pizza **is Scum, or the Scum chose not to Kill (or missed the deadline), or the Scum targeted someone who was protected by the Doc
Again, Septimus was both a Godfather and ‘Bulletproof’, or he was protected Night 2.
Night 4, Red and LightFoot were blocked (one by the 'Scum Roleblocker and the other by Shadow).
So why didn’t the Scum just kill **Red **instead of blocking him? If they thought he was protected, why didn’t they kill **LightFoot **instead of blocking her?
Red didn’t attack Septimus on Night 2
Night 4, LightFoot was blocked (either by the ‘Scum Roleblocker’ or by Shadow).
Either the Scum failed to issue a kill order, or their target was protected by the Doc.
Scenario 1 requires three role-blocking powers.
Scenario 2 requires that the Scum lost a WIFOM battle with the Doc, as the other possibilities are too far-fetched to seriously consider
Scenario 3 requires that the Scum chose to block both the Cop and the Vig and target a third party, and were unluky enough that the Doc also chose to leave the Cop and Vig unprotected, and protected the Scum’s target.
Scenario 4 requires that the Scum targeted the Doc’s target.
I think Scenarios 2 and 4 are the most probable. Scenario 3 requires just too many coincidences, and Scenario 1 too many role-blockers.
vote Red Skeezix
Well, good to know my two 100%'s are ok. (however, if there if it is a false claim, and there is another cop, please go ahead and claim. At this point, there is no reason to stay quiet I think).
ATPG, you are now a confirmed townie, even if you had a good amount of townie cred after the septimus lynch. Enjoy your powers while you’re still alive 
Since I know you’re actually (100%) on the towns side now, so I know all those wall of words are honest. Can you please link me to the arguments you’ve made on your current suspects?
I honestly do not understand this question or what I have to reconcile. I don’t think **Red **and I are both Town (obviously), and from the rest of your post neither do you. So… 
As for the 1 for 1 trade between me and Red, I’m fine with that, as I said yesterDay. I just think it’s blindingly obvious that **Red **should be lynched first, given that he’s demonstrated no ability to actually Vig anyone (among other things). It seriously boggles my mind that you don’t see this.
I have to agree with this. Not only have we had no double deaths, we’ve had two nights in a row that there were NO deaths. There is no proof of his powers. While I’m still somewhat new, I have learned in my few games to see proof of a claimed power, and then judge it as making more since as a town or scum power. (P.S., thank you Normal Phase for bombing Zesial last game… Everyone believed his claim, only reason town won is because of your PFK role).
So, while I still sorta assume we might have a vig… the fact Red Skeezix hasn’t proved his power at all, in what now, 5 nights? Makes me doubt him. Though… I have to admit a slight nagging doubt because in my first game I assumed Red was scum, when he ended up town, and I only believed him at LYLO.
I really want to hear ATPG’s thoughts on his other targets then ShadowFacts…
NETA: I agree with SF about no proof of power. That is what makes me doubt him. Honestly, the two reasons I double voted Red Skeezix last “day” is that I missed the entire arguments against septimus, his case wasn’t even around, I was then away (damn real life, did a quick review on my phone while at work), and when I checked right before end of day, I saw Lightfoot saying she got that private message… And since I believe the power is more likely town then scum, I saw the power, so just voted my previous vote to lock in. I honestly didn’t even think of Septimus.
[OOG] I have a doctors appointment tomorrow, and I have to work 40 hours before I get all into studying my basic math for the Georgia Wet Board… When is End of Day?[/OOG]
Thinking about leveling…
From this, it would appear that Town have 2 ways to recieve XP (lynching Scum and using their powers), but Scum have three ways (lynching Scum, using their powers, and performing the Scum kill).
The highest level a Town player can have at this point should be level 3.5 (3 x 1/2 level for using their power Nights 1-3, and a full level for voting **Septimus **Day 4).
Generally, a Scum player can either use a power or perform the Night kill, but not both. We know that using an ability grants 1/2 a level, but we don’t know how much XP performing the Night kill grants.
If it’s 1/2 level, then the highest level any Scum could have at this point should be 3.5 (3 x 1/2 level for Nights 1-3, and 1 level for voting **Septimus **Day 4, same as a Town player).
If the Night kill grants a full level, then we *could *have a Scum as high as level 4.5 (2 levels for killing Nights 1 and 2, 1/2 level for using an ability Night 3, and 1 level for lynching Septimus Day 4). Now, this would require some shrewd guessing on the Scum’s part, in that they would have to designate this individual to perform the successful Night kills, then designate a different person for the unsuccessful kills in order to allow this player to use an ability on Night 3. That seems rather prescient, so a more reasonable case would seem to be a single Scum receiving full levels for performing the kills on Nights 1 and 2, and another full level for lynching Septimus, leaving him at level 4.
Any Scum who has not performed a kill should be no higher than Level 3.5 in any case.
In either case, jumping on a Scum-lynch bandwagon is useful to Scum, and I think that we will find the Scum’s ‘designated killer’ somewhere on the list of **Septimus **voters. In light of that:
vote Weedy
Day ends at 6 pm central time on Thursday, August 11th.
Thursday August 11, 6 PM Central Time (UTC-5)
Thank y’all both. Appreciate it.
Okay, well full story on that game was 2 serial killers, 5 separate mafia families, 1 neutral anti-communist, 3 starting communist cultists, several detectives, some doctors, and the ability for any basic townie to become mafia, a doctor, a vigilante, or a detective.
Each mafia family had 1 godfather (immune to scan) 1 scum doctor (usually protected the Godfather, but could kill instead) and 1 starting grunt. The grunt could kill or investigate for more recruits, and make the offer to someone to join them. To join the mafia you’d have to participate in gang-related kills with the grunt or the luca. The godfather could only kill if he was the last one remaining. If the Godfather died, the scums could join a different family, or try to form a new family and select one of their own as a Godfather. The objective of the game for the scums and most townies was to be the final Godfather left standing, controlling 50% of the town, and become the Capo di Tutti Capi. Some townies were incorruptible, and the cult was trying to turn everyone into communists.
That’s why there were 5 scum doctors, there were 5 godfathers as well. Highly unusual game.
The previous large game that I hosted had a scum team of 5, with one true Godfather role with tons of immunities, and another minor scum role who was also scan immune. So technically I just hosted one with two “godfathers”.
That said, no, it’s very unusual.
It boggles my mind that YOU would say this AFTER YOU SAID YOU BLOCKED HIM FROM KILLING YOU.
Did you take your not know how to lie pills this morning?
I won’t abandon my client at this time. That said, I’ll play devil’s advocate once more, this time for ShadowFacts.
Okay, ShadowFacts is town. Flipping the switch in my brain for that scenario, for the sake of the argument.
I still, still believe that Red Skeezix is a vigilante. And I can come up with a plausible scenario where they’re both town.
Okay, a perfectly valid couple of explanations.
Assuming **ShadowFacts **is townie- then obviously, don’t lynch ShadowFacts. Just make sure Shadow gives me the voting power today. I won’t use it, I’ll just verify that it is in my possession. Just know that I am extremely, extremely skeptical about this move. The pattern of septimus’ behavior fits ShadowFacts being scum with septimus.
Assuming Red Skeezix is townie- I still want to use him as a weapon against the scums. If he’s townie, this forces the scums to allow him to murder at will and denies them the ability to murder, or else it proves that Red and one of the Lords of slaughter who are murdering are two different people; or it forces them to block Red Skeezix every night, or it forces them to kill Red Skeezix. That way, it clarifies Red Skeezix and we do not waste a lynch on Red Skeezix.
Red Skeezix as townie **must **be murdered; it’s that simple. They cannot afford to leave Red Skeezix alive night after night. We AGAIN lost no townies, so AGAIN I am insisting on using Red Skeezix as the town’s weapon. So that’s the price; the price I am asking for ShadowFacts to go free, is that Red Skeezix also goes free.
And Red Skeezix goes free conditionally. I am a scanned townie who gonna die soon. And I have a suspect list that needs pruning. Red Skeezix’s life belongs to me, I want him to murder who I suggest, with the approval of this town committee. Here are the conditions:
Under those terms, I could refrain from lynching ShadowFacts today. I’m **not **for letting Red Skeezix hang before ShadowFacts.
You do realize I’ll be voting for Suburban Plankton or Inner Stickler then, though. 
Fair enough, give me 12-18 hours for sleep, RL duties, and then to prepare my thoughts on everyone remaining in the game.
I could link you back to previous cases but those cases were made with less information than I have now, and as such, these should be updated, and they should also reflect the if X is scum, then situation we have with ShadowFacts and Red Skeezix.