De'endee Mafia

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1841

That’s nuts.

I could have **sworn **you were the other candidate for the real doctor, Hirka… based on your posts… :smack:

If you aren’t counter-claiming, then holy poop on a stick.

Dude… do you see how I could have figured you were the real doctor now?

  1. Your belief is they start out one way, end up another. That smacks of being the guy who you’re talking about.

  2. I wouldn’t want them to claim yet- means I don’t want to claim yet.

  3. You seemed to be sure that ShadowFacts wasn’t lying. That means you could have been the guy who was protecting/blocking Lightfoot, which makes his townie-hood possible even if Red Skeezix is blocked by a scum roleblocker.

Those three things together made me suspect you were hinting you were the real doctor and knew ShadowFacts wasn’t scum.

Welp.

Lynch ShadowFacts. And slap me around and call me Sally.

1842

My hope was that the fact I was a paranoid doctor in genre fiction would be reason enough for me to mention it. But, I did feel as though I was being very obvious with it. As for leveling up, I, at least, feel as though I am always picking at the game mechanic details regardless of role or team. But, I was pretty sure that you suspected I was the doctor early on and it’s the main reason I thought you were townie before Lightfoot’s revelation. If you were scum, I think I’d be dead before now.

1843

GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I hate **being right **and then still :smack:-ing it up!!!

My friend, you have the most enormous balloons of any doctor I’ve ever seen. Sorry I completely messed this up.

1844

Meh. Apologies are unnecessary. I’m under no illusions that I played this perfectly, or even well. I just wanna lynch some scums. It’ll be interesting to see what happens tonight though. And I’m really curious about the people who haven’t shown up for a while.

1845

No, no… YOU played it just fine. Not only did you manage to get the message out there as to who you are, so I could avoid hitting you with the inquisition hammer most of the game, but you also did it in a way that apparently, only the townies even picked up on.

Task right now is to please, for the love of peaches, double-check my thinking so that ShadowFacts is NOT lynched as townie, and is only lynched as mafia. Any scenarios where it’s possible he’s town? The only one I can see is Skeezix, and for obvious reasons I discarded that idea.

If we lynch a scum this round, given everyone’s claims, this game is pretty much in the bag unless we’ve been completely outplayed. I can lose to that. So, you managed to keep the detective alive and yourself alive and helped cap the mafia godfather. You can’t say you played this wrong.

It was I who played it wrong. I could have just shut my mouth and been Red Skeezix’ defense attorney until people lynched ShadowFacts… I was just trying to be thorough. I still have reason to believe I’ll eat a murder, so, had to be thorough.

1846

This explains why mafia godfather septimus appeared to be risking his own life to spare shadowfacts and lynch TexCat, why ShadowFacts was so stubborn to give up his voting power, so insistent that we lynch Red Skeezix without looking at the alternatives, and threatened to 4-vote Red Skeezix on his own if people didn’t listen to him.

They were backed into a corner with septimus and ShadowFacts as the vote leaders that round. They couldn’t afford to lose ShadowFacts while septimus was still on everyone’s mind. That’s why he said this:

A congratulations… at first I simply felt he was suggesting I was scum and that I was leading everyone to their doom. In my haste, I could have misread its meaning.

Question: Who is mafia with ShadowFacts and septimus?

Several of my top suspects are now out the window due to their believability.

Also, can we get SlaughterFacts to give up his vote power now? If he doesn’t give up his emergency powers then he must be removed from office.

1847

(blows Normal kisses) :o

1848

Yeah …

Right at the moment I really miss chat. There’s so much I want to say about that (and Lightfoot’s breadcrumb and probably ten other things) that would only be cluttering up the space in thread if I did.

I do believe Inner Stickler, provided his timeline for leveling up checks out (use power three times, plus lynch one scum = up two levels?). I’ve never gotten a scum read on him this game. And also, though this is decidedly meta, “cleric” is exactly what I expected the town doc’s role to be – and there must be a town doc. So absent a counterclaim I’m trusting him.

Let’s get the rest of the claims. Who’s left? Weedy, Hirka, Mental Guy, choie, (pedescribe), …?

1849

I still want to see Lightfoot’s PMs, too. Post them, LF!

In the meantime I note that SP reports a block on night one that was the same color as what Red Skeezix reports on night three, both consistent with Ed/SF’s roles. SP got the result he wanted belatedly (investigation); Red did not (death). I have no idea what that means. The role claim itself gives no clues.

What level are you, ShadowFacts (and when)?

1850

Oh, one thing that almost got driven out of my head:

I think there’s a strategic reason for not lynching Red today unless enough people are reallyreally convinced about him. And that’s that as of now he is out of excuses for not killing, since Shadowfacts appears to be out of roleblocks. If scum block LF tonight they can’t block Red and he must produce a kill. If scum block Red, LF gets a scan. Good either way, right?

@ SP – why on earth do you not track either Red or Shadow last night, so you can confirm their stories? That would seem a much more obviously useful-to-town choice than tracking the guy who might (but might not be) the doc, events of this day notwithstanding.

And what was your procedure for leveling up?

1851

Holy crap, there’s a lot going on. I need to do a serious close read of these claims, but this is an easy question I can answer right now.

I am Level 2. Here is the PM I got:

[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Congratulations! You are now level 2. Your new or improved abilities are earned at levels 3 and 5.
[/QUOTE]

I received this PM on 8/4 at 10:57pm my time. I believe I got a 1/2 level from blocking Red Skeezix and another 1/2 level from sending that Message to LightFoot, which I did on the 4th. (I should be clear that this is informed speculation on my part - I have not received any moderator info about 1/2 levels).

1852

When is that in game terms and how do your block of Pizza and vote of Septimus (or weren’t you ont hat bandwagon) fit?

1853

In game terms, the PM came after the end of Day 4 (after septimus lynch). I did not vote for septimus, I doubled-down on Skeezix.

I have no idea if my block of Pizza counts for anything level-wise, or even if it worked. I received no info whatsoever from the moderator, unlike my block of Red. If the Pizza block did “work” and I got a 1/2 level from it, then I could potentially use my Vote or Message power toDay and see if I get increased to Level 3. But my guess is that since it there was no Pizza action to block, I’m not going to get level credit for it.

1854

Sorry… If it makes you feel better, last game I got NK’ed for the same reason, they thought I was the doctor. I don’t know what it is about me, but I seem to put out this “power” persona :slight_smile:

So, are we doing a mass claim? If so, I would like to see a list from Lightfoot or ATPG with a claim order list, since they are the two with the most townie cred.

1855

My procedure for leveling up is exactly what was stated in the rules: 1/2 level for using my ability, and 1 level for lynching Scum.

I tracked **Askthepizzaguy **on Night 1, Special Ed on Night 2, and **ShadowFacts **on Night 3, getting me to level 2.5. I voted for **Septimus **on Day 4, so I gained a level and went into Night 4 at level 3.5. I got no additional XP for my Night 4 action since I had already gained a full level that Day.
As for why I didn’t track **ShadowFacts **or Red Skeezix: I only receive info on whether the person takes an action, and starting with last Night’s investigation, what kind of power they use. I do not get their target (I assume that comes at level 5).

So, If I tracked **Shadow **I would learn that he blocked someone, or he didn’t, but that wasn’t going to help with alignment. similarly, if I tracked **Red **I would learn if he killed or not, but since I wouldn’t know who I wouldn’t be able to determine alignment.

Now it’s possible that I could have gotten lucky…maybe the Scum would decide to have Shadow perform the kill instead of blocking, or maybe **Red **would get lucky and kill a Scum. But I figured the odds on either of those happening were slim, so I’d learn nothing.

Meanwhile, **Askthepizzaguy **was going on and on about how he had thought Inner Stickler was the Doc, but he had changed his mind and now figured **Inner **for Scum. I thought that his case against **Inner **(he’s just *too *Townie) was a bad one, but his case on **Inner **being the Doc had merit. And I figured there was no way the Doc would fail to act, so if **Pizza **was right I would be able to get some useful information. And I did.

1856

I now have an answer to the question “Why didn’t Pizza know I was tracking him on Night 1?”…and frankly, I’m surprised. I figured the best I’d get was “no comment”.

I sent this message to the Mods last night

[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton]
So…Pizza posed the following question:

Any chance you could shed some light on that?

On Night 1 I was blocked, so I didn’t actually follow him, so he didn’t see me. That makes sense.

But on Night 2 I ‘remembered’ that I *did *track him, but he didn’t do anything. So did he not see me because he didn’t do anything, so there wasn’t really anything to ‘track’, which means I didn’t actually follow him in the first place, so there was nothing for him to see?

Or was it ‘something else’?
[/QUOTE]

And received this reply this morning

[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
When the person you track takes no action, they do not sense you.
[/QUOTE]

So there you have it.

1857

So Shadowfacts (but not IS, due to leveling?) should be able to confirm that you followed him? Why then has he not done so?

1858

He already has, though he didn’t know it at the time.

In Post 1258 he posted the PM he received when he blocked Red Skeezix

underlining mine

That’s me, tracking him.

1859

Here is what we know about the various Nights’ activities…assuming for the moment that all claims are true

Night 1
Suburban tracked Pizza - blocked
LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town
Red took no action
Inner Stickler protected/blocked Special Ed

Night 2
Suburban tracked Ed - Ed took an action
Suburban received delayed reveal from Night 1 - Pizza took no action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Septimus - Septimus was protected
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot

Night 3
Suburban tracked Shadow - Shadow took an action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Shadow - blocked
Shadow blocked Red
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot

Night 4
Suburban tracked Inner - Inner cast “a helpful spell”
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Pedescribe - blocked
Shadow blocked Pizza
Inner Stickler protected LightFoot

So…what does it all mean?
Everything appears to be OK on Night 1.

The Scum blocked Suburban and killed Scathach.
Red didn’t get a kill in.
Inner blocked Ed.
LightFoot got a result on Pizza.
Night 2 is a bit less clear, but still seems to make sense.

The scum killed Ed.
Suburban tracked Ed
Inner protected LightFoot and also blocked her.
Red attacked Septimus, but he self-protected.

The questions that need to be answered are
“Who did the Scum block?”
“Who did Ed block?”

Since the Scum didn’t kill LightFoot, it stands to reason that they blocked her. And it’s perfectly reasonable to believe that Ed blocked a Vanilla Townie.
Night 3 is a bit more mysterious…

The Scum failed to kill.
Suburban tracked Shadow.
Shadow blocked Red
Red attacked shadow, but was blocked
Inner protected LightFoot and also blocked her.

The big question here is, “What did the Scum do all Night?”

If they blocked LightFoot again, then who did they try to kill?
If they tried to kill LightFoot, then why didn’t they block someone else?

And then we come to Night 4, where things completely fail to make any sense at all.

The Scum failed to kill.
Suburban tracked Inner.
Inner protected, but did not block, LightFoot
LightFoot was blocked
Red attacked Pedescribe, but was blocked.
Shadow blocked Pizza

Whereas Night 3 seemed to be lacking in a rolelock, Night 4 has one too many. LightFoot, Red, and Pizza were all blocked. On previous Nights, 3 blocks would have been understandable, but this Night our Doc is no longer Paranoid, so that ‘extra’ block sticks out like a sore thumb.

LightFoot was blocked. There’s no reason to disbelieve LightFoot, so that one is good. Which means that either Red is lying about being blocked, or Shadow is lying about blocking Pizza.

Which puts us right back where we were first thing this Morning. Either Red or Shadow is Scum.
The other question from Night 4 is “Who did the Scum try to kill?”

LightFoot was blocked, so it would appear that she wasn’t the target.
My original thought was that they’d targeted Inner and he self-protected, but that’s out. So, the obvious answer is the Scum killer was blocked.

So, who was blocked last Night? Shadow says he blocked Pizza. But Pizza has been cleared by LightFoot. Unless LightFoot is lying, or Pizza is a second Godfather, Pizza is not Scum.
Red says he was blocked. So maybe Red is Scum. But in that case, who blocked Red?
If Red is Scum, then he could be lying about his target. But LightFoot is the only person who seems to have been protected, and we’re out of Town roleblockers, so why would the Scum block and kill the same target?

If Shadow is Scum, then he could be lying about blocking Pizza. But that doesn’t answer the question of why the Scum would both block and kill the same target?

If the Scum didn’t target LightFoot, and the Scum killer wasn’t blocked, then why didn’t someone die?

I guess it’s possible that there’s a Scotsman somewhere, and the Scum were unlucky enough to target him last Night, but in that case they need to claim now.

I suppose the Scum could have failed to get a kill order in…but they seem to have gotten in a block, so that makes no sense.

Maybe the Scum did both block and try to kill LightFoot, figuring that if one action was blocked, the other would go through. But that risks losing two Night actions to one Doc’s protection, and I find it hard to believe the would risk that.
At this point, I’d welcome any and all critiques of the above, because i’m not at all happy with where it’s leading me…

1860

My night results *
Night 2

[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
Your mind reaches out again, and your head fills with disjointed visions. Scraps of thoughts wisp lazily at the very edges of your consciousness. Try as you might, you are unable to concentrate, your strength draining rapidly. The next morning, you find yourself sprawled across the floor, a pounding headache all you have to show for your efforts.
[/QUOTE]

Night 3

[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
More cautiously this time, you open up your mind, searching. Your consciousness expands, catching bits of thought. Suddenly your mind is silenced. Prepared this time, you fights back, pushing against the silence. You poke and prod, gaining inches of metaphorical space here and there, but the effort is exhausting, and you don’t believe you can fight against this force. Whatever it is, it’s stronger than you are.

(You were blocked)
[/QUOTE]

Night 4

[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Your mind hammers against the restrictive silence enveloping you. Your teeth clench uncontrollably as you force your mental abilities to their limits. Yet, try as you might, you can’t pierce it. Exhausted, you collapse into your bed, ready to try again tomorrow.

(You were blocked)
[/QUOTE]