[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Class: Cleric
Alignment: Defenders of De’endee
Role: Protector
Powers: As a level 1 cleric, you may protect one player per night. This protection prevents the target from performing any night actions. You may not protect yourself.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee are vanquished and at least one member of the Defenders of De’endee is still alive.
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Read and enjoy.
OK, since** Inner Stickler** has claimed Doc, I’ll go ahead and do this now.
I am a Tracker.
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Class: Ranger
Role: Tracker
Alignment: Defenders of De’endee
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee are vanquished and at least one member of the Defenders of De’endee is still alive.
Powers: You track your target, learning if the targeted player performs a night action. As a level 1 ranger, your abilities aren’t quite perfected; your targeted player knows they were pursued.
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On Night 1, I tracked Askthepizzaguy. I got no result because I was blocked.
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
You awake, feeling refreshed. Funny, you never usually go to bed so early, but you must have been very tired. Didn’t you mean to do something last night? You can’t quite seem to remember.
(You were blocked)
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On Night 2, I tracked Special Ed. He did something, but I wasn’t informed what. I assume now that he blocked someone, but I don’t know who. Also, unexpectedly, I got a delayed result from Night 1, and found that **Askthepizzaguy **had done nothing.
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
Deep in the forest ahead, you see your prey. He looks around, wary, and you duck behind a tree. Did he see you? You can’t be sure. The distant crunching of twigs and leaves tells you that he’s moving again. You dart from cover to cover, moving swiftly, but you’re unable to find him.
You don’t know where he’s going, or who he’s visiting, but you can be sure of one thing: special ed was definitely doing something in the woods tonight.
As your fingers grip the door handle leading into your home, you get a sudden sense of deja vu. Something is bothering you, something flickering just out of reach of your conscious mind. Suddenly, in a rush of memory, you remember: last night, you followed Askthepizzaguy home on a hunch. You staked out his house all night, shivering in the cold as you waited for him to do something. He never left his house.
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I’m still not sure why I received a delayed result from my Night 1 action. It could be that **Ed’s **blocking ability at Level 1 was incomplete; he could only delay a reslt rather than prevent it altogether. Or it’s possible that *all *Night action results in this game are delayed 1 Night. Others might be able to confirm or deny the latter.
Night 3, I tracked ShadowFacts. He did something, and he saw me following him (though he did not know it was me).
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Before you left, you carefully tied down every loose bit of material on your outfit. Content that you wouldn’t give yourself away this time, you headed out, sticking to the shadows. You track ShadowFacts from his house deep into the forest, carefully concealing yourself. He stopped, deep in a thicket, and you slowly worked your away around it, trying to see what he was up to. Snap. You eyes darted down in horror at the twig you accidentally stepped on. In a flash, ShadowFacts ran further into the forest. You try to follow, but he had too much of a head start.
Despite losing your quarry, you’re content. ShadowFacts was up to something. Now you just have to figure out what.
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Finally, after lynching Septimus, I reached Level 3 and received my improved power.
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Congratulations! You are now level 3.
Through experience, you have honed your skills. Your targeted player will not know if they were pursued, and you will learn what type of power was used.
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Night 4, I tracked Inner Stickler, after **Askthepizzaguy **had possibly outed him as the Doc. I was able to confirm that he is the Doc.
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Inner Stickler never even knew you were there. You watched in silence as his hands twisted into arcane shapes. After a few minutes, a bright blue flash of light rocketed away, disappearing into the distance. You’ve seen magic like that before. While you can’t be certain of the exact spell Inner Stickler had cast, it was definitely something helpful.
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I’m interpreting “something helpful” here to mean “helpful to Town”, which rules out the possibility that** Inner Stickler** is a Scum Doc.
I’m claiming now before things get any more convoluted than they seem to be already.
Any questions?
I just noticed that Inner Stickler protected **Ed **on Night 1, which means Ed was blocked that Night. Therefore, **Ed **couldn’t have blocked me. I assume therefore that the Scum blocked me Night 1.
I was never informed that you tracked me.
According to your information, I should have been told that. Even with a delayed result.
Yesterday people floated the idea of a mass claim. I think it’s about time we had one, as people claiming piecemeal is an easier environment for scum to hide in. I propose Lightfoot get a list from random.org or similar.
Interesting role, SP.
I apologize for being absent toDay. I am not trying to pull a pedescribe. I have just been either otherwise occupied (our school year is starting, so I am back to work) or without a computer for most of the time. When I have got a chance to catch up on reading, it seems like nothing makes any sense.
I would have liked to look at other suspects, which is what I was starting to do when I asked Pizza about Innner Stickler, but am having trouble just understanding what could have happened between Red, Shadow, and the others last Night to result in a No Kill. If we do lynch one of them, I would vote for Shadow, both because I see more scum motivation in his actions (like blocking Pizza), and I don’t really like the idea of keeping around someone of unknown alignment with extra votes.
Pizza, I think it is rather unusual to have the doctor know whether their protectee was attacked.
Anyway, I know it is getting along in the Day, but I will try to actually play the game tomorrow evening.
Also, how does “you were blocked” turn into “you got results the next day”?
Well, he floated the idea in his post of a level one rb simply delaying results. I received no notice that my action was delayed and in fact, if it had, Ed would still be alive. I, personally would not agree that a level one roleblock would necessarily mean results the next day.
See me above maybe not
LF, why did you want to know my level?
Very well, there’s only one way out of this particular mess, short of me going through the thread AGAIN line by line to show where the stories are inconsistent.
The actual doctor should probably role claim now. One of these is scum.
ARG
I have a “guest” this evening and will be here later to try to sort this out.
RL snuggling is MUCH better than Mafia snuggles sorry people.
We have some time.
I would recommend that counter claims be hesitant . AND specific.
But I’m just ME
If you are who you say you are (and you aleady gave us your level) then your leveling up would/should follow the same matrix as mine.
It was/is something I could/would use as a back door to prove/disprove your claim
(or parts of it)
vague enough?
Well I want to get in on this action!
I’m vanilla
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Class: NPC Townsperson
Role: NPC
Powers: None.
Alignment: Defenders of De’endee
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee are vanquished and at least one member of the Defenders of De’endee is still alive.
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Okay, let’s put it like so.
**Suburban Plankton **is essentially staking his head, and his life, on the fact that Inner Stickler is the town doctor. Because he says he KNOWS for a fact that Inner Stickler is the town doctor, based on his results. Inner Stickler is staking his life on the fact that if any other doctor claims, that doctor HAS TO BE MAFIA. Because there’s only one doctor. There’s not going to be “regular doctor” and “paranoid —> regular doctor” on the same team.
So, anyone who **counterclaims **Stickler can volunteer to be the lynch today. And, if the lynch goes through and said person flips townie, that means that Red Skeezix needs to assassinate Inner Stickler and/or Suburban Plankton and we need to lynch the other one tomorrow. Meanwhile, Lightfoot was unable to scan anyone last night. The “paranoid doc” cannot explain why. Obviously, says doc, Lightfoot was blocked. Well, **ShadowFacts **says he was blocking me. Otherwise, ShadowFacts is blocking Lightfoot. If ShadowFacts was blocking Lightfoot, then ShadowFacts is scum.
Red Skeezix has essentially confirmed that ShadowFacts was not blocking him last night, because he was blocked except by a smash to the head, which isn’t a magical spell with tendrils I’ve ever heard of.
Okay?
So, look…
DOCTOR must do this to nail two scum bags.
So what is the course of action today?
If someone steps forward and counterclaims Inner Stickler, then that person is either scum or the real townie doctor. To discourage the scums from doing this, I will insist on lynching said “real townie doctor” before we lynch Inner Stickler. Therefore, someone is only counterclaiming Inner Stickler if they are a suicidal mafioso OR Inner Stickler and Suburban Plankton are both guilty.
That means, guaranteed, ONE DEAD SCUM, or TWO DEAD SCUMS, in the event of a counterclaim.
If no one steps forward and counterclaims Inner Stickler, that means that it is possible Inner Stickler is telling the truth. Which means that Inner Stickler is the not-paranoid doc and Lightfoot is the unblocked but protected detective.
That means the scums have to block Inner Stickler and then attack Lightfoot. Which proves that she was indeed the detective, and that I am her innocent scanee. Or it means that the scums have to murder Inner Stickler and block Lightfoot. Which proves that Inner Stickler is who he claims to be.
Which means that Red Skeezix no longer has any excuses for not attacking who we suggest. Which means that either Red Skeezix will die tonight, or he dies tomorrow, or his attack goes through.
Which means we have, guaranteed, two “lynches” before the next day phase rolls around, or a dead scumbag tomorrow.
Meanwhile, Suburban Plankton THE TRACKER can’t be left alive, because he can scan, scan, scan just like Lightfoot. He can make sure people are inactive. How convenient! Which means that Suburban Plankton, if left alive, can confirm who the scums are not by tracking suspects.
The scums have to block and kill people, so they’re going to be active, aren’t they?
So, Suburban Plankton is going to find the scums or end up dead or get proven to be a scumbag in short order.
So, who does the mafia have to kill? The mafia have to kill the detective, the tracker, the vigilante, the doctor, and the scanned and proven townie Askthepizzaguy.
The real doctor can counterclaim and kill two scumbags at once if Inner Stickler’s story isn’t true. So, we can safely assume Inner Stickler’s story is true.
So now what?
Askthepizzaguy: scanned townie N1, tracked as inactive N1, results reported on N2, never got any message saying he was tracked, was blocked and results given as inactive N4. Is not on a scum team with anyone.
Lightfoot: scans ATPG N1, reports being blocked N2, N3, and N4. Will either die or her results will reveal scumbags soon enough.
Inner Stickler: Claims to be responsible for the block N2 and N3 on Lightfoot. Suburban Plankton’s fate is tied to Inner Stickler’s alignment. This means if the story is true, scum were blocking Lightfoot N4. If scum, Suburban Plankton is scum with him.
Suburban Plankton: claims tracked ATPG N1, special ed N2, ShadowFacts N3, Inner Stickler N4. If scum, on a team with Inner Stickler most likely.
ShadowFacts: claims took on special ed’s role after his death, claims blocked Red Skeezix N3 and claims blocked ATPG N4. Is not on a scum team with Red Skeezix.
Red Skeezix: claims inactive N1, attacked septimus N2, attacked ShadowFacts N3, attacks pedescribe N4. Is not on a scum team with ShadowFacts.
So the question becomes, as we wait for the counterclaim that may never come-
Who do we lynch today?
Who do we assassinate tonight?
Who do we protect with our no-longer-paranoid doctor?
Who do we detective scan tonight?
Who do we track tonight?
Who do we lynch tomorrow?
Obviously if we get a counterclaim, we lynch the claimant, and if they’re scum, free scumbag. If they’re townie, Inner Stickler gets assassinated or lynched, and then Suburban Plankton gets assassinated or lynched.
So as we wait for the counterclaim, here’s my question:
Red Skeezix’ results suggest that ShadowFacts did not block him last night. Does that mean ShadowFacts blocked Lightfoot?
If no counterclaim, doesn’t it make sense that we lynch ShadowFacts, and if shadowfacts turns up townie, we lynch Red Skeezix? One of them has to be scum, is that not so?
The scum roleblocker was either blocking Red Skeezix or Lightfoot last night, not both, AND if the Inner Stickler claim is TRUE, then that means the scum roleblocker was blocking Red Skeezix, and Lightfoot was blocked by magic, which indicates ShadowFacts is guilty.
If ShadowFacts turns up innocent, that makes Red Skeezix guilty, doesn’t it?
Absent a counterclaim, that means our course is very clear;
**
unvote: Inner Stickler
unvote: choie
[COLOR=Blue]vote: ShadowFacts**[/COLOR]
Either Inner Stickler and Suburban Plankton are scum, OR
counterclaim guy against Inner Stickler is scum, OR
ShadowFacts is scum for blocking Lightfoot, OR
Red Skeezix is scum for lying about attacking pedescribe.
**So, no matter what happens, a scumbag will be dead in 24 hours. Is that not so?
**That is a fair trade for any loss we take this round. That will be septimus and one or two scumbags.
And our power roles will be able to determine the remainder by brute force, it would seem.
You’ll have to take that up with Astral.
Actually, I’ll bring it up, but I doubt I’ll get an answer that is satisfactory to either of us.
I have no idea. I believe I mentioned that…and I gave a couple possible theories, one of which has already been proved false.
The ‘actual Doctor’ has already claimed, or weren’t you paying attention?
Sorry if I don’t take everything everyone says at face value.
If someone counter-claimed Inner Stickler, would you fall out of your chair? That means this person is scum or you both are.
OK, I didn’t really expect you to agree with that last statement.
I would be very, *very *surprised if someone counter-claimed Inner Stickler, but my chair is very comfy so I’m pretty sure I won’t fall out of it.
This round I was faced with a task that I felt I was capable of accomplishing;
following the success against septimus, and the two whole nights of no murders, plus the townie cred I was given, I felt that it was within my power to get to the bottom of this mystery, and ensure you have 2 scum lynches in a row.
That would not be the case if I simply sat back and wagoned whoever. And, many people seemed dead-set against Red Skeezix.
If it is Red Skeezix, great… but once again, a round with no real discussion gets us nothing. What happens AFTER Skeezix? If it was not Red Skeezix, then ShadowFacts would seem to be the automatic lynch, and, we lose the town vigilante, so our killing power is halved. That vigilante is an important tool, because if it is there, it helps us determine a lot of other information, and poses an imminent threat to the mafia.
Red Skeezix’ results also indicate that ShadowFacts did not block him twice in a row. Something that ShadowFacts himself seems to be admitting. Which leads me to the following conclusions:
Inner Stickler’s claim means he is either scum, or option 3 doesn’t appear very possible. ShadowFacts claims to have been blocking me. Therefore the scums can’t also block Skeezix and block Lightfoot unless they have two scumbags who can block… and that seems like major overkill to me.
It makes it more likely that number 2 is the case. ShadowFacts blocking Lightfoot and a normal scum roleblocker blocking Red Skeezix does fit the description.
Number 1 makes sense, but only if Red Skeezix is mafia. There are lots of reasons to find problems with that I’ll get into again shortly.
As of right now, I cannot find a way to reconcile Red Skeezix being townie, ShadowFacts being townie, or Inner Stickler and Suburban Plankton being townie. One of those things has to be false.
With the giant incentive to nail two scums, no townie doctor that exists in this game could call themselves a townie if they didn’t try to nail Stickler and Plankton right now. Therefore I can reluctantly write off Stickler as the doctor role.
Which makes it all that much more vital that we have to lynch a scumbag today, as the clock is ticking on Stickler and Lightfoot.
If it IS ShadowFacts, then we have reversed the Red Skeezix lynch and forced it to happen on the correct suspect, ShadowFacts, while also keeping our vigilante alive to maybe nail mafia scumbag number three tonight. If it is not ShadowFacts, then it can only be Red Skeezix. As such, he’s absolutely 100% up brown creek for tomorrow.
Why I don’t think it is Red Skeezix is because his results are written two very different ways. That does not indicate Skeezix framing ShadowFacts.
The idea of Skeezix being guilty does not make much sense to me, because Skeezix and septimus bussed each other hardcore, and will now both be dead as a result of it. It just makes no sense.
So, what can I conclude? Red Skeezix is just a wrong lynch. And, Inner Stickler deserves the benefit of the doubt if no one calls him out on lying. Therefore, the options remaining indicate ShadowFacts.
If it is ShadowFacts, then we’ve gone 2 days with 2 consecutive scum lynches, and 2 nights with no townie deaths.
As such, in spite of revealing Inner Stickler, which I apologize for if the claim is true, I have sloppily accomplished my goal of making darn sure we lynch two scums in a row. And, given how* very overpowered* this town seems to be, you guys should be able to absolutely mop up this game starting tonight.
I still do not get the following:
Suburban Plankton’s claim says I should have been informed that I was tracked. I was not.
He says he was blocked, then got results anyway.
The town’s paranoid doctor apparently was the first one in the game to mention paranoid doctors. That’s… very dangerous. He could have gotten picked off… he kept mentioning paranoid doctor, paranoid doctor, and he kept talking about leveling up. The only reason why I ever suspected Inner Stickler was the paranoid doctor, and hence, why I had been keeping him out of the topic of discussion deliberately all game up to this point, was because of the fact that he seemed to be breadcrumbing his role quite loudly all game long. So I shut up about it for as long as I could stand to. I simply said question him if I died. I still feel that if I could figure out it was Inner Stickler, or that Inner Stickler was prepping a paranoid doc claim as scum, then the scums could have figured out it was him by now and murdered him. Why hasn’t that happened yet?
If it’s because they missed the big honking clues that were everywhere, then great. :smack: It still seems very, very odd to me. But I am now satisfied that he is either the doctor that he claims to be, or he’s a thoroughly exposed scumbag who isn’t going to make it out of this game alive. And if he’s scum, SP goes down right along with him.
That means it’s down to the mystery of the missing murder.
Only Red Skeezix or ShadowFacts can be responsible for it now, because the scumbags presumably don’t have 2 regular roleblockers. The most they’d have is ShadowFacts and one normal roleblocker. And the only other explanation is Red declined to murder anyone, which I doubt.
He bussed septimus and made himself the target, and he will die when Shadow flips townie. It is just bad, bad mafia play. I expect Red Skeezix is a better player than that.
That leaves ShadowFacts. Can anyone explain to me how ShadowFacts could be innocent, if Red Skeezix is innocent, and Inner Stickler is innocent, and Lightfoot is innocent, and Askthepizzaguy is innocent, and Suburban Plankton is innocent?
And if he’s guilty, do you realize what else that means?
That means he was the soul-stealing scumbag, not the universal backup townie role. Which means I was useful for more than one thing, helping finger septimus early and also helping point out that ShadowFacts’ claim did not guarantee townie status. As such, then the headache I just went through this round was worth it, with apologies to Stickler.
I am at a total loss to explain this game if Stickler, Shadow, and Skeezix are all innocent. Absolute total loss.
Wow… What a day… Lots of information, not enough time to digest it! That’s what I get for playing a video game instead of immediately coming to check the Mafia thread…
Ok, I’m following ATPG here… Let me say, even with your wall of words, I like you around. I’ve always been more for following cases then making them, and I have to say, your cases make since, specially now that I trust you as town.
I’m believing Inner Stickler, mainly since his claim is what I expected of a doctor. Paranoid to begin with then becomes normal…
However, he claims to have blocked Lightfoot the previous nights, ok, I can expect that… but he didn’t block Lightfoot last night. While, ShadowFacts claims to have blocked ATPG, and Red Skeezix claims to be blocked. That means there are three blocks claimed… I can believe ShadowFacts has blocking power, and there is probably a scum blocker… Since IS claims he didn’t block last night, then who is the 3rd?
Since I’ve heard the arguments against ShadowFacts, and honestly, I don’t know why in the hell he decided to block ATPG last night (I can believe the block a claimed town vanilla to avoid screwing over a town power role, I don’t believe the blocking ATPG… He had a lot of town cred for the lynch of Septimus, I would have though Normal would have been a better “Safe” block)…
So, for now, I’m going to
Unvote Red Skeezix
Vote ShadowFacts
While after the events so far, I believe Red has a lower chance of being scummy then Shadow, I would rather another choice then just these two.
Well, got to go… My wife is YELLING at me to come to bed. (literally, two texts, and now came in room) so got to go.